Episode highlights

00:55 Thomas ‘Hal’ Robson-Kanu suffered with severe injuries and pain in his teens

03:12 When Thomas was unable to play in games

06:02 A solution to the pain and inflammation

10:19 Grandfather was involved in herbal medicinal practices

13:39 Thomas discovered turmeric shots at Harrods

19:58 Curcumin is the active compound in turmeric

24:49 Scaling the business was an intense logistical process

29:25 You have to consume it over a period of time before you notice the benefits

35:21 This natural remedy has existed for centuries

41:42 It’s advisable to avoid turmeric shots containing apple juice


Fitness Guide


Welcome to the Fitter Healthier Dad podcast where you can learn how to improve your diet, lose fat and get fitter in a sustainable and fun way, without spending hours in the gym. Here is your host, Darren Kirby.

Darren: This is Episode 17 of the Fitter Healthier Dad podcast. In today’s show, we’re going to be talking about turmeric and its health benefits on inflammation and pain relief. Joining me on today’s show is Thomas ‘Hal’ Robson-Kanu from the Turmeric Co. Thomas is a professional footballer playing competitively for Wales and West Brom. Hey, Thomas, thanks for joining me on today’s show.

Thomas: Hi, Darren. How are you doing?

Darren: Yeah, very well, thank you. And thanks very much for coming on the show and talking to our listeners about turmeric. But before we do that, Thomas, it would be great if we could get some background on you and how you’ve come to start The Turmeric Co.

Thomas: Yeah, of course. Thank you very much for having me. The story behind me is I’m a professional athlete. I play professional football, as you’ve mentioned. But growing up, I suffered with some severe injuries and surgeries, which probably should have made me not have the career that I’ve certainly had to date. And should really have probably “put me in a different career path” which were actually the words of the surgeon after the operations I had.

As a 15 year old, I suffered with two cruciate knee ligament ruptures in my left knee over the course of two years and I had two surgeries a year apart. And after the second surgery, the surgeon told my dad, he said, “Look, he should probably start looking at a different career path. He’s certainly not going to play at the level that he probably was expecting to play and alongside that, he’s probably never going to play without pain again.”

At the time when it happened, I was a 15 year old and I was probably one of the top young talents in the country–had been scouted by all of the top clubs and was being spoken about in terms of breaking through at an early age. At that moment in time, it was sort of like I was just so determined to have the career and become a professional footballer, which is effectively every kid’s dream, particularly in the UK. And so I didn’t take the advice, I persevered, and two years later, I was beginning to get back into playing with the team and I was just always playing with pain and my knee was constantly swollen.

And it was sort of… I’d speak to the doctors and the physios at the clubs and it was sort of like, just accept it, it’s sort of the way that it’s going to be and you have to just get on with it. And it was getting to a point where I actually couldn’t play in games because the pain was too much and I didn’t have the range of motion in my knee because of the swelling. And so I began taking painkillers and anti-inflammatories and I was taking them rather aggressively, three or four a day and some of the tablets which I was taking have subsequently been banned now.

By the time, I didn’t know otherwise and I began being able to sort of play a little bit again with a little bit less pain because of obviously the painkillers completely masking the actual pain. But I began having adverse effects to these painkillers. I was passing blood in my urine, I might have nausea, I couldn’t sleep. And so as a 17-year-old I was sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place in that if I stopped taking these painkillers, I would have severe pain, but at the same time taking them, it was just causing havoc to my life and I couldn’t lead a normal life.

So it got to a point where I had to stop taking them. And I remember speaking with my dad at a time, and it was like, well, there must be another solution to pain and to inflammation out there. It was at that point that we began doing the research around holistic Ayurvedic and natural remedies to help support good health. And that was the start of the journey which effectively brought us about The Turmeric Co 15 odd years later.

But, yeah, so at that point in time it was looking at natural products, at what could actually help with my health. 15 years ago, there wasn’t a lot of information around natural nutrition and the internet certainly wasn’t what it was today. So we began coming across these ingredients like fresh pineapples and pomegranates because of their antioxidant effects. Watermelon is a base nutritious ingredient and then obviously ginger for the powerful compounds that it has, and then subsequently turmeric. We very quickly moved, looked at the turmeric powders, turmeric capsules and then turmeric root itself.

We went completely down the natural route and we had all of these ingredients and we began blending them into a little shot, which was pretty disgusting but was very, very strong. I remember the first shot I had it was like oh, okay like that’s something different–I’ve never experienced that before in my life. But I had no other options really so it was like, well, let’s just give it a go.

I took the products, the shots that we were making at home in a blender. We ruined about five blenders because I’m not sure if you know, turmeric it stains, it’s very fibrous, so it doesn’t blend easily and it’s certainly very difficult to extract the active compounds and the raw wet root itself. The research that we were doing at the time, we began understanding that actually you had to have it in a bioavailable formula. So how can you make it bioavailable? And all of these little things, we sort of just added them ad hoc at first to the blend.

After two to three months, I remember literally waking up one day and walking to the bathroom. That just sounds normal but for two and a half years prior to that, I hadn’t done that without any pain and I didn’t notice any pain in my knee and it was like, whoa, that’s different. Obviously at that time, you sort of think oh, well, it wasn’t really that. So then I sort of just acted as a guinea pig, I was like, “Okay, well, I’m fixed, now. Let’s just sort of stop taking them.” And two or three weeks without having them, the pain began coming back. It was like wow, let’s try them again.

The pain subsided, the swelling reduced and it was like, wow. It was certainly a light bulb moment for me and my family just around the inflammation because this sort of information wasn’t accessible. It was so opposite to the norm of what we sort of had learned to date around nutrition and around… 15 years ago, it was like on the front of a Health magazine, it would be a bowl of pasta is going to help you lose weight. Well, now we know a bowl of pasta is packed full of carbohydrates, and carbohydrates in that format are going to turn into sugar and that’s going to add weight to your body.

It was a lightbulb moment for us at that time that actually there is more information out there which probably isn’t as accessible and that’s sort of how the turmeric shots came to be a part of my life. From that moment in time up until now, I’ve used them pretty much every single day since.

Darren: Wow. That’s a fascinating story, Thomas. I think from early beginning, being told by doctors that you’re not going to be able to play at the level that you want to play at, but then almost ignoring their advice and carrying on, I mean, that’s incredible determination. Obviously, it shows your passion and dedication for football. But the other more fascinating thing, I think, is the fact that you and your father have then taken on this kind of self-exploratory path, really, to find out what you can do. Because obviously, as you already discovered, anti-inflammatories and pain relief, all the rest of it, absolutely destroys your internal stomach and your organisms, all the rest of it. It’s not something you can take for a long period of time.

And I think that many people at that point would have probably given up and not carried on with sports and just accepted that that’s what it is. So the fact that you kind of took that upon yourselves and investigated more. Do anyone in your family, your father, are they doctors or they’re scientists or anything like that? Was that what led you down this path or…?

Thomas: No, but my father’s originally from Nigeria and came to the UK as a teenager to study and his father–who actually passed away early because he was involved in the war in Nigeria at the time when my dad was obviously only a boy–he was involved in herbal medicinal practices in their town. And my dad has a few stories of him going, taking my dad sort of into the forest in Nigeria and him picking specific leaves and coming back and applying this tincture to people and them being almost healed instantaneously with whatever their ailment was. He remembers these sorts of things so I think it’s more from, I suppose, from that side of things about the impact that natural nutrition can actually have on us as humans.

Without doubt, medicine has supported the health and a lot of things within the society and the age which we live in today. But I think there is certainly still that place where if you’re looking at natural ingredients which haven’t been compromised through a dried process, to make powder or having it in a solution where you can actually gain as much value if not more from having it in its raw state. And that’s something which we’re obviously very much advocates of with the range which we’ve created.

Darren: Yeah, I think you’re right. I think the kind of natural medicinal elements of stuff that’s already available to us is being explored more and more where I think in the past, it’s tended to be that we have an illness so the big pharmaceuticals come up with a solution. And up until, I’d say, a couple of years ago, in the main, in the majority of cases, people think, well, that is the solution. But actually, what that does is that can cause, longer term, other health issues by taking these pharmaceuticals. When now we’re beginning to understand the natural products that are out there that can actually help us with that so we can take it on a long term basis without kind of overall affecting other elements of our health.

So yeah, I think it’s a fascinating topic. But it’s interesting you say you’ve been doing this for like 15 years but everybody in the kind of main market place now thinks turmeric is this new thing, it’s just been discovered, but obviously you’ve been using it for 15 years–I think it’s only becoming popular now, really. So in terms of turmeric itself, what’s the process in harvesting it and obtaining it? I don’t even know actually where it’s grown, where it’s natural habitat is.

Thomas: Yeah, it is funny for us because it’s like, wow, that turmeric has become this on trend thing. You look at on the market where you now see things like turmeric lattes, there’s loads of turmeric tablets and powders which you can purchase online and it’s like, wow. Well actually, turmeric in its raw state in a bioavailable formula, you’re not going to find better for the actual benefits that you’re looking to consume the turmeric for.

And then alongside that, and this is all part of passion which is behind the Turmeric Co and why we actually brought what we were effectively making in the kitchen to market. It was around three years, three and a half, four years ago now, where I was in a Harrods and I saw a turmeric shot on shelf. By this time you’d think over the time, it’s like we probably went through 50 odd blenders, the amount of utensils which were ruined, the stained fingertips going into work, if I had to do them myself going into training. And it’s like when I saw that turmeric shot on the shelf in Harrods, I was like, wow, we don’t have to make this anymore. This is incredible. It’s going to be what we’re developing, what we had developed at home, because that’s the best that we know that works. And obviously that’s what they’re probably going to do as well.

So I bought the turmeric shot and took it home to my family and we poured it into a small cup size and drank it together and we almost instantaneously all spat it out. We couldn’t believe how inferior it tasted to what we effectively had created at home. It was watery, it was obviously turmeric powder and they had used as a base, apple juice. And it’s like, well, you’re selling a product which is between 70 and 95% apple juice, which is a tiny little shot which is, you know, 60 millilitres for £3, £4. Well, you can buy a whole litre of apple juice for about £1.99. And for us, it’s like well apple juice as an athlete, I know apple juice is relatively high in sugar, it certainly doesn’t help the absorption or the bioavailability of turmeric. So if you see a turmeric shot or a ginger shot with apple juice in it, put it down because there’s no thought which has gone into that.

Like, let’s have it right. If you’re taking a turmeric shot, you’re considering your health and your wellness. So from our perspective, it’s like, well, let’s take into account the other ingredient which is going into that turmeric shot, which is going to either support or negate from good health. And apple juice we know is high in sugar, so 100% that’s not the best for you. And so we were aware of this on the market and it was, like, wow. And alongside that, the likes of turmeric powder–that going into turmeric juice. No, you want turmeric raw root with absorbable ingredients, in a bioavailable formula and in the correct quantities.

There’s a big coffee chain at the minute and they’ve got a turmeric shot which is 99% or 98% apple juice, and they sell the shot for £2.50, £3.50. And it’s like, wow, people are buying that and they’re buying into turmeric. So we looked at this and we were like we’re developing this unbelievable product which had gone from a homemade recipe for me, which we then extended out to other teammates–as they saw me trying, they would use. Then it was like well if a family member got poorly or had the flu, we’d give them some of the shots and they would instantaneously begin to feel better.

And then we noticed that everyone who was sort of using it wouldn’t get run down as quickly and it was like, well, this became sort of our secret weapon. A holistic, natural product which we’d essentially created out of necessity for me as a teenager and it was like we need to bring this to market. And we set about a journey and it was 18 months to two years. The logistics, we built a production facility for us to make the product at scale and to the quality of what I was having on a daily basis. The ingredients, the sourcing, and we launched at the beginning of last year, and now we’re able to offer these small little shots, these high-quality, extremely popular…

Darren: Yeah. And I think it’s typical, isn’t it? Of the kind of consumer world that we live in and big food companies kind of jumping on the bandwagon of the latest or the perception of the latest thing, and then producing an inferior product. And then consumers in the main–and this is not meant to sound derogatory to anyone–to just kind of say, “Ah, turmeric, that’s good at the moment, I’ll pick that up and I’ll drink that,” without kind of understanding or looking at the ingredients that are contained within the product.

And, actually, they’re probably better off having, I don’t know, a bottle of water or something else, as opposed to these shots that are made up of less than the ingredients that they need to be effective. So yeah, I think you make a very good point from that perspective.

There appears to me to be a lot of talk in the marketplace about turmeric and curcumin. My understanding is that curcumin is a product of turmeric, but can you kind of give us some more background and detail on that?

Thomas: Yeah, sure. So curcumin is essentially the active compound in turmeric. It’s what is currently being studied in terms of the health benefits associated with turmeric, whether that’s reduction of inflammation, reduction of pain, support on dementia, support on cognitive function, supporting the gut and ensuring that your gut is operating well and is healing itself and functioning correctly. Essentially, that comes from curcumin and curcumin essentially comes from turmeric.

Now, obviously, because we’re in 2019 and you look at the research around it and it’s beginning to gain momentum. But you’d think for an ingredient which has probably been on this earth for as long as we have, you would have hoped by now we would have known a little bit more which could effectively support what all of these individuals around the world are experiencing by consuming turmeric regularly. But what has essentially happened is in a marketplace where the active compound is now extracted from the raw root, as if it’s a silver thread which can be pulled and then multiplied and enhanced. It’s the typical thing with anything where the reality from our perspective and from the experiences that we’ve had and everyone around us who’s been using turmeric and curcumin-based products is: if you have the raw root in a bioavailable formula, you can’t go far on from that. And essentially the tablets and the powders, if you look at…

It’s like saying, okay, well then, a fresh piece of meat or a fresh salad. Let’s turn that, let’s compromise that and turn it into a powder or into a pill, and then let’s consume that. Because now that we’ve packed it into a little pill, all of that nutrition which was actually in that is now in this tiny little pill, so actually, it’s better for you. We know that that’s not the case. We know we wouldn’t do that with a meat or we wouldn’t do that with a salad. But for some reason, people are attempting to do that with turmeric.

So, again, we are advocates of natural nutrition. Nutrition in its most natural state is the best, hands down, because that’s how we have always been meant to eat. That’s how we have developed and evolved over time. So for us what we have done, we have combined these natural ingredients in a convenient format and we offer it to people to consume and that’s what effectively changed my life and supported my career. And now it’s happening to thousands of people throughout the UK, too.

Darren: Yeah. It’s fascinating, though, isn’t it? Because I think naturally as humans, we tend to overcomplicate things. And it’s exactly like you say. So the planet has produced over these natural products, if you can call them products, over thousands of thousands of years. But as humans, we want to take that and we want to grind it all down and we want to put it in a little capsule and then we think we can take it and that’s as good as what it is when you pluck it out of the ground. And it’s not, is it?

So that’s a really good point to make, I think. And I’m always a big advocate, particularly around nutrition, of people eating nutrient-dense diets. And what I don’t mean by that is supplementing with stuff that has gone through a process, which has, like you said, been ground down or manufactured from its original form. Because it is never going to be as good as what it is when it’s just come out of the ground or off the tree, for example. So, yeah, that’s a great point to make.

So in terms of when you were developing, at that point, I guess, you didn’t know there were going to be turmeric shots when you were developing for yourself. How have you now been able to take what you were doing with your father in the kitchen and everything else and create that on a larger scale?

Thomas: An extremely intense logistical process is what I would describe it as. It’s certainly not easy. A lot of the big companies, juice companies, they won’t touch turmeric because it will completely ruin their machinery and they won’t be able to make anything else with that machinery. So we’re committed to making it. A lot of the actual process is a unique extraction process where it’s something which, again, we developed in-house.

You look at turmeric, for people who don’t know what it actually is, it’s obviously a root. So, as you can imagine with any root, it’s very dry. So how do you get the root essentially into a liquid format and pull as much of the wet root as possible? If you were to just crush the root, you wouldn’t get effectively anything from it; you’d have to eat this fibrous blend. And essentially what we created, because I was kind of fussy as a kid, so we had it as quite… It wasn’t very palatable. But yeah, I was sort of like, well, can we make it taste better without actually losing its potency?

And so for five or six years, it just sort of got better and better year on year. But indirectly, it actually got more potent and more potent because we were doing the right things around it. So the actual extraction process itself is something which is sort of like our little trade secret. If you line up all of the turmeric-based shots on the market, you would immediately notice a difference in the potency and consistency of ours. Pretty much every single shot on the market is either watered down, tastes relatively powdery, or does not taste natural at all. And for us, our shots, they have a good consistency, in terms of you can feel that there’s body in the actual blend.

And then alongside that, it’s from the raw root itself so you can certainly tell that this is not a powder which has been added to this liquid–it’s the raw root. And then alongside that, it tastes natural, it has a real earthly texture and taste to it and even smell, and it completely separates us from the market. And what we’re working on now is being able to offer this at a high, high scale, nationwide.

We’re working now on the production and the logistics behind that to really upscale to where we can comfortably produce five to 10 million units per year. And essentially when we’re able to do that, we’ll be able to bring a high quality turmeric-based range to market, which I think is going to be able to be enjoyed by everyone in all walks of life. And that’s sort of for us the next step in what we’re working towards, and something we’re obviously really excited about doing.

Darren: Yeah, that sounds fascinating. I think in terms of taste, I guess it is very difficult, isn’t it? When you get a natural product, to actually get it to a point where it can be widely kind of–not digested–but palatable for everybody’s different tastes, without actually putting, essentially, rubbish in it. Either sugary based stuff or things like that. I guess that’s a big challenge.

So you’ve obviously mentioned the benefits that it’s had with you and with your health and inflammation, but in terms of when you started to take it, I’m assuming it’s not this kind of–you have one shot of it and overnight you kind of miraculously… Your inflammation disappears and your pain disappears. Did you notice the benefits happening over time, or how did that work?

Thomas: Again, with anything natural, it’s around consistency. You have to consume it over a period of time to really begin to notice the value that it can offer. For us to bring that, it’s around supporting that healthy lifestyle. It could just be that little nugget which you have that can offer that additional support of good health, whether you’re working, wherever it is in the world or around the UK. And having it throughout the day as well and in that convenient manner–it’s able to travel in a bag or be kept in a pocket and you just have it in that shot format.

But from my perspective, when I first began using it, it was probably having it daily, a daily basis for up to two months. And then I began noticing a little bit less stiffness and after another three to four weeks, I literally woke up and it was like, whoa, that feels very different. For me, it was like that consistency, it was sort of a gradual, gradual, and then it was like, woke up and it was like, wow, something’s happened there. And then, as I said, tested it, came off them for a period of time, just to see if it really was that. And subsequently now the amount of people who have tried it, the amount of other individuals who are using the range throughout the UK has essentially confirmed what we were experiencing.

When we initially launched it was obviously myself being a professional athlete playing in an elite sport, it was like, well, if I see the value in it, I’m sure other athletes will, too. And very quickly, England rugby began using the products and they have a top, top nutritionist and he essentially said they’d been waiting for a turmeric-based product which ticked all of the boxes for them to use. These turmeric lattes, and these watered-down apple juice shots, they just weren’t cutting it for them. They essentially, as soon as they saw ours, they were like–ingredients tick, tick, tick, process, tick, tick, tick. And the feedback from the players as soon as they began using them, it was positive feedback all round.

For now, as we as we’re progressing now, we have more and more elite athletes using the product and they’re beginning to really notice the benefits of using it consistently and, from my perspective, it’s like, well, the leaders of nutrition, they’re always going to pave the way of where essentially almost the herd follows. And it’s like let’s look at what the top people who are studying this day in and day out and who have to live it day in and day out. You look at elite sports, a 1% difference can be the difference between a win or a loss and that can be the difference between an event changing your life or not changing your life and you being successful or not successful. So these guys know what works and have as many advocates in the sporting world as we do.

I think it’s obviously… Why we did it in the first place was for me in that elite sports realm, but beyond that, it’s actually you look at our subscribers who subscribe online. I’d probably say 60% of them are 35–40 plus, 30% percent who know 55–60 plus. And so it’s amazing in that sense to see people in everyday life who maybe aren’t playing at the elite level of sport are actually knowing and experiencing the benefits that raw turmeric in its natural form can have through our range. And as I said, that’s the passion behind it.

You wouldn’t believe how hard we worked over the last three years of getting this to market and at the end of the day, we’re a small team, we’re a small company and we haven’t got the big budgets that the likes of Coca Cola, and these movie brands all have. So for us to have achieved what we have today is inspiring for me and it’s given us a taste of the potential of what we can actually do and at the end of the day, it’s not a soda, it’s not a drink packed with sugary ingredients. It’s a functional, nutritious and natural product and we’re excited for more people to experience this on a consistent basis.

Darren: I definitely take my hat off to you for getting to the stage where you’ve got to with the product. Because starting anything in business is not easy and you have lots of lots of obstacles in the way. And I guess from the other side of things in terms of what it did for you, for other people to then be able to take the product that you developed and actually get the same benefits, I guess for you it’s hugely rewarding and a massive validation of the fact that it wasn’t just you that was getting benefits. This is a real genuine healthy benefit that athletes and people in general can take to reduce inflammation in their bodies.

Thomas: Yeah, precisely. It’s funny because it’s like obviously, we’re The Turmeric Company and we’ve studied the benefits of turmeric we’ve trialled and tested it on so many people now, but it’s like, well, this ingredient was here hundreds of thousands of millennia ago. And it’s like, well, we haven’t done anything, we’ve just pulled this ingredient, combined it in a natural nutritious potent blend of other beneficial ingredients and offered it in a convenient manner.

As we were saying back, you look at turmeric and even things like ginger in Eastern medicine, ancient Eastern medicine–they spoke about it. And that was a lot of where we got our initial research and information on when we began looking at these natural ingredients. It was actually a book which when we were looking and we began researching, we went to the public library and we came across this book called The Chemistry of Spices. It’s a 400/ 500 page book of all of these spices and herbs which were… Essentially, they said everything that we’ve experienced and they had all of the information within this book at that time. So they obviously knew about it and this book was released in 2000 or… So a long, long time ago.

I think 2000 and, yeah, 2000, it was incredible. So, I think from our perspective, it’s now just keeping on going and we obviously want to touch and get this product to as many people as possible in all different walks of life. We’ve got some exciting things lined up as we progress and certainly with the range, we’ve continued developing it and it’s something which is going to develop further. Actually now there’s the opportunity to begin to extend the range and offer further unique products from The Turmeric Co and it’s something which we are all very passionate about.

Darren: It sounds like it and, like I said, it is a fascinating story. But one of the things that I wanted to ask you is if the listeners listening today are perhaps suffering with inflammation, they’re on pain relief or even they just want to overall improve their general health by reducing inflammation in their bodies, and they’re considering trying the turmeric shots. What advice and recommendations have you got in terms of the amount they would need to take, in terms of frequency, in terms of duration?

Thomas: Yeah, so I think we tried to make it as convenient as possible so we’ve packed each shot bottle with as much raw turmeric which we feel can sit in that bottle in a palatable format, but also in a beneficial format. We advocate having one shot per day and having the shot first thing in the morning. As soon as you take the shot, you’re going to feel an immediate boost. You’re going to be like, well, if you’ve not had turmeric before–ginger in a strong form–you’re going to be like, wow, what was that? And just maintaining that over a period of time.

For anything in life, you have to form a habit and we’re advocating a healthy lifestyle and having this as a supplement, as an aid to supporting that, with these super food ingredients which can be a supplement to a nutritious lifestyle. Having one per day, trying the range, give it a month, one per day, and 100%… Whether you’re fatigued in the mornings, tired getting out of bed, aches and pains after a little bit of exercise, when you begin having the product on a regular basis, if you give it enough time, you’ll 100% notice the difference and that’s the feedback that we’ve had from so many customers now. Obviously, the elite athletes, they know their stuff and they’re benefiting from it.

But for me now it’s like, well, how can we get our grandparents using the product? How can we get our mums and dads who probably didn’t have the access to the information or even the products on the market? For us, we know that we are a very, very unique product and unique range in that we’re coming from the position of elite, high quality. We’re not looking for…

A lot of these companies will put their margins over the quality and the actual effectiveness of the product. We’ve led from the other way round. We’ve gone, well, actually, what works? What do we need to get into this product? Because we had to do it out of necessity because it was for me, and we’ve now got this and then after that we’ve said, well, how can we make this work? How can we get it better? And that’s what the hard work has been over the last four years and we’re doing it now.

Darren:  I think that’s great and I think you can definitely tell that in the way that you speak, in the way that it’s impacted your life. And I think it’s a very genuine cause that you want to come across and get out to the wider world. And I think the other important point I want to point out to listeners is the fact that you are very conscious about the other products out there and making sure that you’re not just putting a product on shelves because it’s cool and it can affect. You’re putting a product on there that actually makes a genuine difference. And I think that’s the key differentiator between you and all of the other companies that are out there at the moment. So, yeah.

Thomas: 100%. If you see a turmeric shot and it has apple juice in it, put it down because you’re not getting what you think you will be getting. We’re passionate about it, and we want to impact positively as many people as possible. For now, we live in an age where there’s so much more information out there now, it’s the information age. And that’s how we’ve been able to find out about this and why I’ve been able to have the career that I have–because of this incredible natural root and the other powerful blends and ingredients which go into it as well. The opportunity now is to bring that to more and more people.

Darren: Fantastic. Before we wrap it up, Thomas, is there anything that I didn’t ask you which you feel I should have asked you, which would benefit the listeners?

Thomas: No, I think if anyone wants to know more about what we’re doing, you can follow us, The Turmeric Co, on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Our team is very much hands on. If you have any questions, you can email [email protected] or [email protected] and we’ll get back to you. We’re still a young, very small business but we’re growing rapidly and more importantly, our community is growing with us. So any questions which anyone has, we’d be more than happy to answer.

Darren: Fantastic. Well, I really appreciate you coming on the show today. I know you’re a very busy guy but the story that you’ve shared and the information you shared is absolutely amazing. Like I said, I really congratulate you on the product you’ve created and the kind of information you’re trying to share and the change you’re trying to make. So I really appreciate your time, Thomas, and I look forward to catching up with you soon.

Thomas: Thank you very much, Darren. I really appreciate that. Take care. Bye, bye.

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