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Episode 6 – Talking Supplements With Ben Coomber

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Welcome to the Fitter Healthier Dad podcast where you can learn how to improve your diet, lose fat, and get fitter in a sustainable and fun way without spending hours in the gym. Here is your host, Darren Kirby.

Darren (0:13) This is season one, episode (six) of the Fitter Healthier Dad podcast and I’m delighted today to welcome my guest, Ben Coomber from awesome supplements. Hi, Ben, how are you doing today?

Ben (0:25) I’m good. Thank you for having me on. Pleasure.

Darren (0:28) It’s great to have you on. I’ve been an avid follower of you online for quite some time and love your work. Before we get into the nitty gritty around supplements, it’d be great for the listeners to hear a bit of background about you, Ben.

Ben (0:44) Yeah, sure. Firstly, judging by the audience that you tend to have in your podcast, I will clarify that I’m not a dad… I want to add that context because parents always say it’s easier for you, and it is easier for other people that don’t have kids. Kids are a massive variable in life so I’ll always try and speak bearing that in mind.

I’m a 32-year-old guy. At the age of 18, I was obese, suffered with a variety of health issues, and it was through that journey of being obese, trying to lose weight, trying to solve my health issues that really got me into health and fitness. I ended up losing about five and a half stone, getting really healthy, really kind of just buying into the whole health and fitness thing and why you would do it and why you would choose to be fit and healthy. Because it changed every aspect of my life. It wasn’t just about my trouser size; it was about my confidence, my career prospects, literally everything.

I moved away from a career that was set for acting–that was this thing that I’d always done as a kid–and I got into the fitness industry. I started as a personal trainer, I then moved away and went to university, studied sports performance and coaching, worked in elite sport, worked with kids, did all sorts of stuff. In my second year in uni, caught the bug for building a business. I built a business at uni, went into the online space, and I’ve been working in the online space ever since. I have a coaching programme, a nutrition education company, and a supplement company called Awesome Supplements.

Darren (2:31) Wow, you’ve done a lot for a very young guy. Part of your story I can relate to, Ben. Obviously, I’m slightly later in my years, but I can definitely resonate with the fact that once you start to get a hold of your diet and your fitness, it does sound a bit of a cliché, but it does actually change all aspects of your life. On my journey, I was a busy city professional, heavy drinker, didn’t really pay that much attention to my nutrition but exercised three days a week, and actually was still massively overweight and very unhealthy. Once I started to focus on and understand nutrition, that’s when it all changed and the biggest change for me was mindset. That was the biggest shift that I had. So yeah, a fascinating story you got there, Ben. Good to hear your journey so far. No doubt, you’ve got big plans for the future.

 

For the listeners at home that are maybe just starting out and starting to pay attention again to their fitness and nutrition after becoming parents and things like that, when you go to a gym or you start to exercise, one of the biggest things is around supplements. I actually heard a statistic earlier on this year. It was that people spend more money on supplements than they do their gym memberships and even having a personal trainer. It’s a massive, massive sector and industry, and one which everyone buys into once they start hitting the gym or start getting into their fitness. Why do we need to supplement, Ben? Why can’t we just get all of what we need from our food?

Ben (4:18) You might be able to. With any health and fitness conversation, you have to raise the context question like, what is your environment? What are you trying to do with your training? What is your goal? There’s loads of ifs and buts and quite often, we need to frame supplements to say they are to supplement a good diet. That is the foundation; we’re not taking any credit away from the value of real food which is really important. There’s many common deficiencies that we see from a health perspective: magnesium, vitamin D, omega-3 fish oils, they tend to be really common. Quite often, from dietary choices, stress that we place on our body, they are something that you might need to supplement with.

From our perspective, we put it all into one convenient product called Awesome Daily Dose. If people could just take that and job done, you’re all good. That’s from a health perspective. For me, anything more than that, you need to explore on a more specific level. If you think you’ve got a problem with your gut, maybe you’re suffering with IBS for example, you’ve got an issue with your skin, you need to go and see someone appropriately qualified to discuss that rather than googling around on the internet and going- yeah, I have heard that so and so might help, so I’ve bought these probiotics off Amazon and hopefully it will be good.

Because that’s when you can end up wasting money, trolling around the internet and listening to half-cooked research filled with a little bit of an opinion. We do need to be careful of that. There are other health supplements that you might need, but do your research. When we look at the research from a “basics” perspective, as I mentioned, magnesium, fish oil, vitamin D, they tend to be the common ones. For people that have quite a stressful lifestyle, don’t sleep that much, magnesium can be even more depleted through various stress responses in the body, so again, that could be quite a prominent thing. If someone’s vegetarian or vegan, there might be calcium, iron, B vitamin issues so again, you would explore that. That’s from a health perspective.

Then we really are starting to look at performance and recovery. If you’re in the gym, you’re lifting weights, you’re training CrossFit, there’s various things that can support that. Creatine   or Beta Alanine can be really good for people that play sport, lift weights, do CrossFit. There’s energy drinks, car powders, electrolytes for people that do endurance and stuff. I’m a big fan of transdermal magnesium for recovery so I use that after I lift weights, I use that after I play rugby, big fan of that. Not a lot of research as a supplement; we as a supplement company actually put it in a black bottle because there isn’t a lot of research about it and we want to be honest about that. We want to say: not loads of research here, but we really like it, we really value it, and we’re just going to be honest about it. Use it.

Then sort of on the protein front, which is a real entry point, especially if a guy is going to the gym, do I need a protein shake? And it’s like, maybe. I work from home, I eat a lot of my food straight out of the fridge, or at least sort three days of the working week. That means I can go down and prepare a meal or look in my fridge, do all that kind of stuff. I don’t actually have protein shakes that often. When I travel more, if I’m busy, or I’m out on the road, I have protein shakes more because again, it’s just convenient so I might make up a blend, say like a smoothie. I might sometimes even have it for breakfast if I want something quick in the morning. If I’m going to the gym then going somewhere else and then coming home and I want to tie myself over, then I’d quite often have a protein shake.

If I’m going out after the gym, like for food or a couple of beers, then I might have a protein shake and then that will tie me over and I’ll just eat later on. Protein shakes, remember, are just a source of protein, but they fit a convenience element of our lifestyle that people generally do struggle with. It’s about context, what’s happening in that person’s life and what’s relevant to that person.

Darren (8:44) I think that’s a great summary. I think one of the things for me as well is that, as consumers, we don’t necessarily really understand where our food comes from and how it’s produced. We make an assumption that we’re eating vegetables or we’re eating certain types of meat and so that must be okay. Actually, we’re probably not getting as much of the nutrients as we think we are, just due to the way that consumers demand food and food is produced. For me, I think definitely supplements shouldn’t replace food, but like you’ve just said, they are a good kind of alternative if you’re out on the go or if you’re short of time,

Ben (9:33) 100%, and there’s two tests for people that might want to explore this. If we want to make dietary change and we’re not sure whether we need it, spend a week or two tracking some information. We know that there’s plenty of calorie and macronutrients apps. If you’re not getting enough protein, for example, you could track it and you could see. For someone that’s trying to live a convenient, healthy, high protein lifestyle, again, there’s another reason and rationale there for protein shakes, maybe protein bars. But plug your data and then you’ll start to see stuff.

With the micronutrient argument with magnesium, fish oil, that kind of stuff, we could track our calories and macronutrients in an app called Chronometer and that would start to give you an idea of whether there’s any nutritional deficiencies with the food that you currently eat. Then, you’ve got a bit more of a plausible argument to go: actually, I’ve tracked my food and I’m actually seeing some stuff I’m not getting enough of. You’ve got two options then. You can start to change your diet to account and fill those gaps. We know that there’s certain foods that are rich in certain nutrients, so you could focus on those foods. Or you could look to supplement with something that covers a lot of those bases so you don’t have to change too much or whether you’re that motivated to make those changes.

The other thing that you can do is take something and sometimes just see if it’s beneficial. Maybe don’t change your diet, don’t really do anything, you could buy something like Awesome Daily Dose and you could just say, I’m going to take this for a month, see if I notice any difference. If I notice any difference, I’m now motivated to keep taking this. I’ve seen benefit. Or actually, I haven’t seen that much benefit. Remember, there’s loads of different benefits from micronutrients. It might not just be your energy but like your skin, hair quality, your endurance in the gym, there’s loads of ways that micronutrients play into the physiology of the body. Try and tune into all those changes. If you’re sitting there thinking “not sure if I do want to take something like that,” there are two tests that you could carry out with yourself to find out.

Darren (11:43) Yeah, I think that’s really key as well. I think one of the things that you just said there as well is that, really, there’s not one size fits all. Every person is different in some way, shape or another. The way that their body deals with food, the way that their body breaks down their macronutrients, and so as a kind of general rule of thumb, you see people that are exercising or training for the first time, and they’re taking supplements because their mates are taking it or because their mates have got a certain result from it. But that definitely doesn’t guarantee that you’re going to get the same result. You could have a completely different body type, a completely different body composition and the way that your body deals with macronutrients could be completely different. I think that’s really important.

In terms of timing though, Ben, what kind of time should you take certain types of supplements? I know I keep referring back to guys in the gym and things like that, but often, you’ll see people that are maybe walking around the gym floor with a protein shake in their hand, or they’re taking it just before, or they’re taking it just after. What’s the kind of right timing around all of these supplements that we could potentially take?

Ben (12:59) Let’s start with protein and add some context. A common question is: When should I have protein? Is it before, is it after? Is it before bed? Again, it’s about looking at what you would eat in the day, what demands you’re placing on your body, and then fill in any shortcomings. For an active guy, you want to be taking on board probably three to five servings of protein a day and really, they’re going to be coming in your meals. If we started to say- do I need a shake before the gym? I would then probably ask you the question- when did you last eat? Let’s say you ate your lunch at 12:30 and you were going to go to the gym at 5:30 and you weren’t going to eat in between 12:30 and 5:30, that’s five hours. That’s actually quite a long period of time to go without food and then go into the gym. The chances are that meal you ate at 12:30 is starting to come out of your stomach, you’re probably starting to come a little bit hungry. When it comes to someone lifting weights, it’s always good to have amino acids kind of floating around in the body.

For people that are highly athletic, you generally recommend you want to eat every four to six hours to keep your body sort of churning through some food and having something to enjoy and work with. In the context of that person, it might be actually really beneficial for that person to have a protein shake at maybe 4:45, to just tie them over. There’s plenty of amino acids floating around the blood, they’re going to go in the gym and they’re going to work hard.

Because of that shake, when that person comes out of the gym at 6:30-7:00, we then ask the question- do I need a protein shake after the gym? I’d probably say no because you had some protein two or so hours ago. I’d probably just drive home and have your dinner with your family and enjoy your evening. It’s about context. If someone hadn’t eaten for five hours, and they were going to the gym and they then said to me- should I have a protein shake after the gym? I’d probably say- yeah, it could be quite beneficial because you haven’t eaten for a long time. If that person was then going to go home straight away and eat, we could probably say- no, you don’t really need it. It’s all about looking at your day and when you usually eat, and then when you go to the gym, and also when you want to save time.

You might ask me, Ben, is it beneficial to have a protein shake for breakfast? And I’m like, what do you usually have for breakfast? You’re like, I grab a slice of toast or a little bit of what the kids are having and all that kind of thing. I might say to that person, okay, if you took a protein shake, would that be better than the current thing that you’re doing? Which might be grabbing a slice of toast when they’re cooking the kids’ breakfast. Then the chances are that response is yes and even having the protein shake with the slice of toast would be better than the toast alone, because that person is going to want protein at breakfast.

I know I’m being that really annoying nutritionist and saying it depends and it depends, but it does. That’s why I try to frame my context of when I have protein shakes because it’s like, right, what am I doing today? When am I eating? Do I know I need some convenience foods like a shake or a bar or something like that? If not, awesome, if so, when am I going to take it? Why am I going to take it. For example, today, I’m going to go to the gym at four o’clock and I’ll probably eat about an hour before I go, and I’m going to come home and eat. There’s probably going to be no protein shakes involved in my day. If I was going to go out for dinner after the gym, I’d probably have a protein shake, then go and sit in the steam room for 10 minutes and chill and then go out for the evening, because I know I’m going to eat like an hour and a half later. The last thing I want to do is come out of the gym, get really hungry, because then I’ll make a really crap decision of what food I’m going to choose off the menu, because everyone makes bad decisions when they’re hungry and tired. So, sorry, I’m that annoying nutritionist who’s going to say it depends when it comes to a protein shake.

Darren (17:14) But you’re also right, though, because the other thing and you made reference to it a couple of times there but I just want to point this out. It’s awareness and consciousness. Because generally when it comes to food, because we are busy, have busy lives, busy families, trying to sort out the kids, we just grab whatever’s there. We assume that whatever is on a packet, because it’s come from a supermarket, because it says it’s good or it’s healthy, that you eat it and it’s fine.

My point about this is that if you want to get some serious results, you have to become more conscious, more aware about what you’re eating, when you’re eating it, and have a plan. This might sound all a little bit difficult and very detailed, but you don’t have to do it for the rest of your life. Like you’ve just said, Ben, you only have to do it really, for a couple of weeks. Just so you can see your eating patterns, the types of food you’re eating, and then you can make changes accordingly.

Ben (18:15) 100%, and this is where it’s tough as a parent because as a parent, we’re always trying to grab more time, we always want more time by ourselves, because life is just busy with work and living life with kids. And it’s like, when you’ve got that downtime from 8:30 to 10:30 in the evening, you just want to sit down in front of the TV and chill and literally switch off. The reality is, you probably need to spend 15 or 20 minutes of that time maybe planning a bit better for the next day, seeing if you’ve got the food in the fridge. As parents we are great at doing that for our kids, like let me see if I’ve got everything in for the kids. We don’t actually think about ourselves and then we end up, like you say, grabbing stuff. Unfortunately, as a parent, it’s about accepting that time isn’t always freely available, but if we want the most out of our body and our life and our family time, it does take a lot of planning and forethought and just always looking a week ahead.

Darren (19:19) It kind of comes up a level as well and it’s kind of mindset and having this- and I always refer to this as being a bit woo-woo, but having a strong reason why you’re doing what you’re doing, having a strong reason why you want to focus on your health. And it’s not all just about getting muscles and all the rest of it; it’s just general, everyday health. Providing you understand what that is and why you’re doing it, it makes the stuff underneath it, like the tracking, and the preparing and all the rest of it, that much easier when life becomes a bit difficult.

The other key point I want to make is that life does get in the way and when it does get in the way, don’t stress about it. One bad food choice or one bad meal is not going to make a massive difference but if it’s consistently bad, and consistently bad meals, then obviously, you’re not going to get the results that you need.

 

Ben (20:14) Can I add a bit of context there? Because I think when people have kids, they quite often know that things are going to change, don’t get me wrong, that’s a really obvious thing. But we want to hold on to as much of the life that we had before kids as much as possible, because that’s a big part of our identity. If we look at health and fitness, we might go to the gym a certain amount of times, and we try and keep in a certain shape and keep a certain amount of fitness and stuff and when kids come, that is going to change. There’s no word of a lie. Quite often people go one of two ways: they try and maintain exactly as what they’ve always been doing and just burn themselves out because they’re trying to be a dad and work and also just do all this crazy training on top. Or they go, “screw it, I’m just not going to do any of it,” and just leave it all and develop their beautifully crafted dad podge over the next two years.

I’m going to use myself as an example. Right now, over the next year, we’re essentially starting to plan a family right now. Right now, I train two days a week with rugby, I play on a Saturday, I go to the gym two to three days a week. I already know that I’m going to stop playing rugby at a certain time and instead of chasing a fitness goal–so trying to build muscle strength or the rest of it–I know that when I become a dad and that day comes, I’m going to commit to like three 30-minute sessions in the gym and that’s it. If I can do more, awesome, but all I’ll do is commit to that. My only goal is to try and feel as good as possible, be as healthy as humanly possible, and maintain my muscle mass.

Because actually maintenance is really easy. People don’t realize how easy maintenance is, unless you’re an idiot about your diet. If you’re eating right foods and training with a decent amount of intensity a couple of times a week, you will maintain your physique. Like I’ve only been in the gym twice for the last three weeks because I’ve been a bit busy. I’ve maintained my muscle mass, I’ve maintained my body composition, I’m absolutely fine and I haven’t been to rugby training that much again because I’ve been busy. So it’s about going into like being a dad saying- hang on, I can’t really chase that goal for a bit; how about I just chase this goal just to be happy and healthy and that actually doesn’t take an awful lot of work as long as I’m not an idiot about it.

Darren (22:40) Yeah, I completely agree. Coming back to the other point and that is, like he said, you don’t need to do it every single day. You don’t need to get stressed when life gets in the way. Just know the bigger kind of… It doesn’t have to be a specific goal. The bigger reason why you want to stay ultimately healthy and fit, not just because you want a gym body. The other point I want to make as well is because the way that I schedule my day is I tend to… When I have big training sessions like I did this weekend, I tend to get up early in the morning. Now, this is not for everybody; people like their sleep and obviously sleep is one of the key factors of fat loss and things like that. But I tend to schedule my workouts around the family time so I’ll get up early in the morning, I’ll do my workout before the family even gets up. That’s a constant juggling act but that’s just one example of what you can do to still fit this stuff in.

Ben (23:46) 100%. Time that we have is always a constant juggle and we’ve just got to say to ourselves, what’s the most important thing right now? Is it an extra half an hour of sleep or is it a training session? The chances are, four days a week, you’re going to say I want to stay in bed and have an extra half an hour of sleep. That’s awesome, do that, but a couple of times a week, you might need to say- you know, I need to get up, I need to get a jog in, I need to get a quick session on the bag or whatever. Because again that’s also going to be good for your mental health as well, like you’re having that moment to yourself. I think, guys, it’s always good to have something where you let off a bit of steam; you can get a little bit aggressive as well. I’ve got a boxing bag in my gym, and I’m not a boxer but just five or 10 minutes on that bag feels like I’ve had a moment to just be like [roar]. Because again that’s fucking within a man. It’s just there, so allow that time for yourself.

Darren (24:43) Definitely. Just quickly to touch on the boxing side. If you can do three, three-minute rounds on the bag, I guarantee you, you will absolutely be sweating your ass off and panting like you’ve never panted before, providing you’re hitting or going hard enough on that bag. It’s very, very tough to do three three-minute rounds on the bag.

You touched on earlier in the conversation about Cron-O, the app that you can use to track and then understand where you’re deficient, but the supplement world is a myriad of different acronyms of different things that you can use. How would I as me as a dad, really break all this stuff down? Because if I go on a website to buy a load of supplements, there’s millions of items that you could buy. Obviously we’ve touched on the big one, protein, but how could I really understand what it is that I would need?

Ben (25:39) Firstly, I mentioned the health supplement, Awesome Daily Dose. For me, you’ve always got to start with health. Don’t get caught up in pre-workouts and all this stuff until you’ve mastered your health. Master health, maybe get a baseline supplement like Awesome Daily Dose, then start to say- right, am I getting my protein needs met? Okay, it would be good if I was able to have a shake or some protein bars or something like that to take with me. Then on top of that, start to say- right, am I recovering well? I might look at one or two things in terms of recovery.

For recovery, I would look at again, broad spectrum multivitamin that contains like magnesium, vitamin D, fish oil. Then I would look at transdermal magnesium, make sure you’re getting enough protein on board and then it comes down to performance. Like, are you in the gym lifting weights? Well, Creatine, maybe some Beta Alanine would be beneficial. Maybe a pre-workout supplement, obviously intelligently dosing and timing caffeine is quite important. That’s kind of going to be it for like most guys in most situations. You’re not going to go much further than that and then it starts to become kind of costly and a bit annoying.

 

Darren (26:51) Absolutely. I think that’s one of the things that I wanted to raise and you’ve obviously identified that; it doesn’t need to be difficult. Your Daily Dose sounds like it’s the perfect place to start to be honest because you don’t have to think about it then. You know that everything is in there that you need and you can just take it and, like you said, take it for a month, track it, see what happens, see what benefits you’ve got and then you can take it from there.

Ben (27:17) Yeah, 100%

Darren (27:18) If some of the listeners are vegan, veganism is a massive topic. I know you did Veganuary on your channel, which was cool to watch. Or they’ve got allergies particularly around dairy and things like that, what are the options around that?

Ben (27:37) Most of our supplements are vegan anyway so that’s not an issue. Vegan protein from pea or rice is going to kind of replace the traditional whey protein shake that a lot of people have. That’s not really a problem. You’ve got a few other deficiencies that might occur. You wouldn’t worry about those deficiencies if you had something like Awesome Daily Dose because it’s got everything in it and it’s a vegan-friendly supplement. But with any kind of dietary restriction, you just need to pay attention to what you’re going to fall short on. If you’ve got a certain way that you need to eat and you know that, for example, you don’t eat dairy, what nutrients are in dairy? Calcium is one of them, magnesium is another one. You can then start to say- let me make sure I’m getting these nutrients in my diet because I have a dietary restriction.

It’s about being more mindful. I went to a vegan festival in the UK and I was talking to an awful lot of people. The amount of people that were saying to me they’re tired, they’re worn out, they want help with their energy and all this kind of stuff. I actually probed and said how much attention are you paying to your diet? Do you know how much protein you’re getting on board? These are people that have chosen veganism as a lifestyle and a dietary choice and they’re not really engaging in some of the major deficiencies that could occur. I was shocked to talk to that many vegans in such a short space of time and have so few of them actually engaged in it. Because I thought, you’ve made this massive dietary choice that omits many things but you’re just not engaging in it. To be honest, there’s no wonder that you feel tired and worn out because your diet is very insufficient.

Darren (29:24) Definitely, and I think it comes back to this- it’s not one size fits all. It’s understanding why you’re doing what you’re doing and not just following the herd. Veganism, Keto and all the rest of it, they all have their places but you need to make sure they fit you. But within that, you need to make sure you’re getting your standard micronutrients. It’s not just veganism- I can just eat vegan, and that’s it. You need to understand what’s in your food. I think that’s one of the biggest things that I’ve learned anyway.

Ben (30:00) Definitely. If you want to be fit and healthy, you’ve got to engage in being fit and healthy. It just doesn’t happen by transient luck. You’re properly engaging.

Darren (30:09) Absolutely. I completely agree. For the listeners that are here today and obviously they just started to pay attention to their health and fitness again, what actions would you suggest or three things that they could do today, Ben, that would help them on this process?

Ben (30:28) Firstly, I like to talk about problem points or friction points. Everyone’s working towards something so quite often people say to me- oh, Ben, how do I get X? Instead of me giving you solutions to solve X, why don’t you ask yourself the question- why can’t I get X? It might be that I’m really tired, what’s stopping me from getting a good night’s sleep? Kids is going to be the obvious one but maybe you can’t switch off before you go to bed, you’re staying up too late watching TV, all this kind of stuff. Because quite often, people ask for a solution before they’ve troubleshooted themselves. If they were actually to delve a little bit and be critical with themselves, people end up knowing a lot more answers to their problems than they actually think. They’re just not spending time and engaging in the process of problem solving themselves.

Ask yourself today- what points of friction do you have in your lifestyle? What things are kind of holding you back and making you trip up? And solve those things. Secondly, for us to be high-performing people, we do need to focus on sleep. It is hard being a family person but sleep has to be a priority. I know that I will be the dad that as soon as my kid goes down, about an hour later, I’ll be down like. I’ll be in bed by nine o’clock because sleep is that important to me. Also, I like rising early and cracking on with the day early. It is something that I really enjoy. So, focus on sleep.

Thirdly, we’ve talked about it so I’ll use it as my third point. Supplement wisely. There might be a couple of things that can help. Protein shakes can help you out, but don’t get too funky. Just get the basics covered and you’re probably going to be absolutely fine.

Darren (32:13) Perfect. I think those are three really great points. Sleep is a whole massive topic that I could have a podcast on because it’s so, so important and one which I think can get seriously overlooked. It’s actually quite surprising when you talk to people about sleep in the same kind of connotation as fat loss, weight loss and health, so that’s massive. Before we wrap it up, Ben, is there anything I didn’t ask you which you feel I should have asked you and would benefit the listeners?

Ben (32:45) No. All I would say is any change in a family environment takes really good communication. Many people that I’ve coached and they’ve tried to implement change in their home environment, haven’t involved the people that it also affects in that change. If you want to start training at a different time, changing your diet, you’ve got to involve your partner in that process. You might have to involve the kids in that process, you have to make compromises, you might have to say- well, I’ll go to the gym this day, you look after the kids; I’ll go to the gym the next day, you look after the kids. Or maybe we’ll do a workout together in the garden with the kids.

I think great family environments takes great communication. Coming at those problems that you want to change with great compassion for the other person and not doing it like, oh I need this because I want to get fitter. It’s like, I’d love to get fit; how can we work it into our lifestyle? I’d like to be able to do this; maybe we could do this together and maybe I could do that by myself, because actually, I’d like some time by myself. Because time by yourself is also very important. Come at these problems with real good compassionate conversations.

Otherwise, that’s it from me. If anyone wants to find me online, I’m Ben Coomber all over the internet. My podcast is Ben Coomber Radio. I never talked about supplements quite a lot today, so if anyone did want to have a look at anything and try anything, then please go to Awesomesupplements.co.uk. And to say thank you, if you use the code, all lowercase, “fitdad” you’ll get 15% off your first purchase to say thanks.

With the supplements, we are a really education-focused company, so if you’ve got any questions, reach out to us. We’ve got loads of free books on our websites for people that play sports and go to the gym and stuff. We do like to help as much as we can because, as you’ve hopefully realized from this podcast today, we don’t want to bullshit you. We don’t want to sell you anything that you don’t need; it’s just not relevant. We’re not here to waste people’s money; we’re here to provide valuable products for people that want to really hone in on their health, recovery and performance.

Darren (34:59) Great, Ben. I think there’s about 25 different guides on your website, isn’t there? That people can download? I highly recommend that you check out Ben’s podcast as well. It’s very, very good. I’m an avid listener of it as well. Ben, I really appreciate your time today and I hope our listeners do. Thanks very much and I look forward to catching up with you soon.

Ben (35:23) You’re welcome. Thank you very much, dude.

Darren (35:25) Thanks for listening to the Fitter Healthier Dad podcast. If you enjoyed today’s episode, please hit subscribe and I would really appreciate it if you could leave a review on iTunes. All the things mentioned in the episode will be in the show notes, and a full transcription is over at Fitterhealthierdad.com

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