Episode highlights

0:01:41 – Growing up on a council estate, Jason observed the impact of negative mindsets

0:05:00 – At 13, he had a significant mind shift and discovered leverage

0:08:20 – Parallels between a wealth building mindset and health & fitness

0:12:15 – Taming the animal brain

0:17:29 – Are you spending your time with people who help you grow?

0:21:04 – Instead of trying to raise the ceiling, raise your floor

0:23:26 – Develop habits that will make it hard to fail

0:26:53 – People look for shortcuts because they want to avoid “pain”

0:31:01 – Key actions to help develop your mindset for personal growth

0:34:10 – If you set goals, you must also plan for them


Fitness Guide





Welcome to the Fitter Healthier Dad podcast where you can learn how to improve your diet, lose fat and get fitter in a sustainable and fun way, without spending hours in the gym. Here is your host, Darren Kirby. 

Darren: Welcome back to the podcast, guys. This is the #1 podcast for dads in their 40s who want to lose weight and improve their health. This is Episode 34 and in today’s show, we’re joined by Jason Graystone. Coming from a working class family with little education, Jason has embarked on a journey of self-development from an early age, which he says has played a fundamental part of his success. Jason believes that if you have the right mindset and adopt the right personality traits, you can use the same formula to achieve anything you want in life. And it is this attitude that has allowed him to achieve complete financial independence by the time he was 30. Hi, Jason, thanks for joining me on the podcast today. How are you?

Jason: I’m very well, thank you. Thanks for having me on. Pleasure.

Darren: Thanks for agreeing to come on the podcast. I’m a big fan of your podcast, as you know, and I thought you would be a fantastic person to come on and talk about mindset. It’s really a topic which I think is extremely valuable in all areas of life, none more so than health and fitness, and obviously investing as well. Jason, before we start off with the podcast, for those people that are listening that haven’t heard of you or come across you before, can we get a bit of background on Jason and how you’ve come to where you’re at today?

Jason: Yeah. My name’s Jason Graystone. I am a professional investor and I essentially managed to become financially free by the time I was 30. And I did that through a series of very, very (kind of) structured strategies that I developed from the age of 22. I found out I was going to have a kid at 22 And I just decided I haven’t got a plan and I’d better have a plan in place. But I ended up kind of becoming a little bit obsessed with replacing my income so that’s what I did, and now I teach people how I did that.

Darren: Okay, cool. That must have been quite a hell of a journey, and at such a young age to make that decision, that distinction, that you need to have a plan in place and things like that, because not many of us do. What kind of thought process and mindset did you have around that when you decided that’s the path and journey you were going to take?

Jason: I think the mindset thing really came from an early age. I grew up on a council estate in South London called Hatfeild Mead. It was kind of these series of blocks of flats and there was all sorts of walks of life on that block of flats: there was people like a kind of druggie family who ran a drug business, there was old people, there was single parent people, there was people who had jobs. And there were all kinds of these different walks of life but every Friday… We always used to sit on the steps on a Friday evening and everyone used to moan about how they needed more money and how it was evil, the root of all evil and all that kind of stuff, and they had a very negative outlook towards people who were doing well for themselves. 

I remember very clearly, they used to always bitch about people that were doing well and it was funny because we used to sit there and then about 45 minutes into the moaning, a guy called Roy used to come around and collect everyone’s money for a syndicate lottery. And I remember literally sitting there thinking: They’ve just spent half an hour saying how bad money is, how evil it is and how people with money shouldn’t have money, and they should have more money, and then they went and did the lottery. And then for the next half hour, they would spend time talking about what they would do with their winnings and how them and their immediate family would be sorted for life. 

And I also remember them talking in a way where, literally, the money would be spent in minutes, in literally days. And it was almost like how quickly could you get rid of the money if you won it? I’m not saying I figured everything out because I was only 13 when I was surrounded by these conversations, but I remember thinking there’s something not right. These people are unhappy because they’ve probably got this conflict. What is it that they don’t like about money, but why are they trying to get it? 

So there was a period of time when I was younger where I did a deal with my dad. I wanted a BMX for my birthday and he said, “Look, we can’t afford the bike. It’s 200-and-something pounds. If I put 100 towards it, can you raise 100? And I was just like, yeah, I’ll do that. I was 13 years old; I didn’t know how I’d earn £100, but I was sitting there thinking. And I thought I’ll go and wash some cars because on the estate where we lived, there was this kind of triangular green and everyone used to park their cars around it. I went out and sort of scrubbed up a car and spent all day washing this car, this Volkswagen Golf, and a lady called Lynn, she gave me £5 plus a two-pound tip. 

I went up to my room that night and my friend Lloyd, I think it was. I think it was Lloyd in my room and he basically said, “Look, I’ll give you a hand tomorrow.” And I said, “Well, I can’t pay you at the moment because I’m trying to save for the bike.” He went, “Yeah, I’ll just give you a hand.” 

So my dad came in my room and he said, “I’m going to Safeway. Would you like anything?” And I said yeah. Something made me give him my entire earnings for that day even though I was desperate to get this bike. I gave him the whole £7 and I said, “Could you get me another bucket and a sponge?” And he gave me a bucket and sponge and the next day we worked four cars. And then by the end of the summer, I had literally three or four friends working these cars with me and I wasn’t even washing the cars. I was literally going around making the sale, knocking the doors, collecting the money, collecting the tips. 

And it was a complete mind shift because I thought perhaps this is what people are getting wrong; they’re not using money properly. It made me think about when they were talking about winning the lottery and spending it all as quickly as possible. Well, what if you could earn it and use it in a way to provide you with time because I wasn’t washing the cars; I was literally just walking around getting all the cut off of everyone else’s hard work. It was a complete mind shift for me and I thought, “This is it. This is the missing link.”  So that was really where my mind shift first turned as a youngster.

Darren: That’s hugely inspirational from the perspective of a very young age. You’ve already decided or made a distinction that you’re not going to accept the status quo that everybody else follows and everybody else talks about. And then equally from that, you’ve then discovered leverage which is the ultimate tool in an entrepreneur’s toolbox, isn’t it? To be able to leverage time, resources and things like that. Obviously, it’s something that as you’ve grown up, it’s just kind of intrinsically in you. Already, it’s not like you’ve gone and read a load of mindset books or things like that; you’ve kind of already started to develop that mindset. That’s fascinating. 

As we’ve already spoken about, mindset is key in many areas of our lives and I believe the mindset that you’ve just been talking about is a similar mindset that we need to apply to health and fitness. Do you draw any parallels? When you’re looking at the mindset for creating wealth and I know you’re into health and fitness as well–do you draw any parallels between the two? Or is it just kind of one and the same?

Jason: It’s very much one and the same, but what I would say is health and fitness is very much about having the discipline to go out there and do it, just the same as wealth building. But the parallels would be in both situations, you really have to have a cause beyond yourself because what I see is people who don’t love themselves and are not vibrant are not ones who want to go out and make a difference in the world. They’re the ones that kind of sit there in this kind of self-wallowing, they kind of spiral down, they let their body get out of shape, they let themselves go, they kind of get down and out. Whereas the people that are vibrant and fit, they’ve usually got something bigger that they’re aiming for. They’re out there and they’re literally becoming fit and healthy and vibrant to survive. And they want to survive as long as possible so that they can go out and do what they want to do.

In terms of wealth building, you definitely have to have a cause beyond yourself. Because if you don’t have a clear objective and you’re just thinking about money, then you’re probably not going to get the wealth that you think you’re going to get. Because money is just money. Money is just a tool and this is goes back to mindset: people got this kind of negative opinion towards money, but money’s not bad or good or evil. It’s just a thing. It’s a token, a medium for fair exchange, and there’s enough out there for everyone to get what they want. So why don’t people get it? Well, because they don’t have a cause beyond themselves. 

When you think of those lottery winners, what you’ll normally see is when you ask people what they would spend the winnings on, they’ll talk about things that are very selfish. And it’s funny because the people that do it are the ones that call rich people and wealthy people selfish. But really, when you ask those people what they would do with the money, it’s like, oh, I would book us a holiday, I would pay for my parents’ house or our house. I don’t need millions, I just need enough for “us” to be happy, you know. It’s very, very much one generation or two generations. 

But people that are out there, they’ve got a cause way beyond themselves, they’re thinking about making a difference in five generations, 10 generations. They’re thinking much, much bigger and they know that the more wealth they accumulate, the more free time they’ve got, the more creative they can get, the better they can serve people, the more money they can earn, and the more supportive they can be, the more caring they can be. They’re the ones that people come to for favours, to ask for support, financial support, and it’s because they’ve got a cause beyond themselves. And I think with fitness, it’s similar; it’s people that are vibrant. People that want to experience their life to the fullest, understand that you want to be fit and healthy.

Darren: I agree with that on the fitness side of things, and it’s something that I talk to our community about quite a lot. And that is some people think it’s a bit woo-woo, talking about your why and all the rest of it. But unless you have a real distinct thing that you want to achieve or something you want to do, you don’t put as much effort in and you won’t get as good a result as you do when you have a bigger reason. So for me, I trained for 15 years going to the gym three times a week but I was still overweight, I was still unhealthy because I didn’t have a reason why I was going. I’d go just because that’s what you should do. And then the minute I found the reason, that’s when it all changed. That’s when all the weight came off, that’s when I got fitter and so yeah, I completely agree with that. 

Jason: I would say the difference with money is we’ve kind of got this built-in inertia, where you devalue… Actually, it’s the same with fitness. I see people that lose weight and as they get towards their goal weight, they become a bit lapse and then they start kind of easing off the accelerator and maybe celebrating with a Chinese takeaway. It’s almost like they can’t get to their goal or just beyond it to maintain it. They just keep kind of reaching it, backing off. Reaching it, backing off. And it’s the same with money. We’ve got this built-in inertia where we devalue money the more we have of it. 

So if you had £10 to your name and that was your entire net worth and I gave you a pound, that pound would represent 10% of your net worth. And you’d be like, wow, yeah, I’ll have another pound. That’s amazing. If you had £100 and I gave you a pound, that’s 1% of your net worth and you might be like, “Yeah, well, I’ll still take the pound. But as you start to accumulate wealth and you’ve got £10,000 or a million pounds, a pound becomes nothing. It’s almost like you’d throw a pound down the drain and because of that, you’ve literally got this built-in inertia to devalue money so that’s another reason why you need to have a much bigger cause beyond yourself. 

But ultimately, health or wealth, it’s about surviving as long as possible. When you relieve the animal brain, whether that’s having money in the bank so that you know if you lost your income tomorrow, you can survive without the shit hitting the fan–excuse my language. Or whether it’s fitness where you’re trying to be as fit as possible to survive the longest. It’s all about kind of taming the animal brain, that voice inside our head that’s trying to push us into fear, scarcity, and going out there and doing what you want to do.

Darren: Yeah, definitely. I think the other thing as well is that I believe that health and wealth are intrinsically linked. I know this podcast is about dads getting fitter and healthier, but the reason I want to raise this is because I do genuinely believe that the two are linked. For example, you can be as wealthy as you like; if you haven’t got your health, no amount of wealth is going to be able to buy your health. Equally, you need to have wealth in order to have the best foods that you can afford, to have all that the organic foods and the best supplements. I’m not saying you can’t be fit and healthy if you don’t have that, but I’m saying your life and your longevity will be much greater if you do. Would you agree that the two are intrinsically linked? 

Jason: Totally. I think in terms of money and wealth building, people often say things like, “We don’t need money to be happy.” Well, yeah, that might be true, but I challenge it in the way of survival. And the way you’re talking about it being intrinsically linked to health where, not even organic foods or nice things: I’m talking about survival. I’m talking about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, the physiological needs of food, shelter, water. The last time I checked, all of those things cost money and they will always cost money. And if you lose those things, then you’re going to be pretty down in the dumps. You’re definitely not going to be inspired. So, it’s okay to accept that money can be used as a tool to get those things and you definitely need those things for survival.

Darren: I agree. I heard a really good quote the other day. I can’t remember if this is exact, but it was something along the lines of, “Money is not everything, but it’s right up there in line with oxygen.” And it’s true. 

Jason: So true. So true. 

Darren: You do need it like you need oxygen. Like you said previously, people have this big stigma about money. We’re all trying to get more, but then when people have more, it’s like, “Oh, that’s dirty.” You shouldn’t be doing that, or you’re greedy, and stuff like that. It’s just wrong. 

Jason: Absolutely. Like you say, they try and accumulate it and then because of that belief, they try and get rid of it as quickly as possible. Or another thing they do is, particularly middle class people, they have this pride of ownership thing where they’ll just save and save and save and save and save and save and then plough it all into something that depreciates.

Darren: Absolutely. A lot of experts have said that we are 50% of the five people that we most spend our time with. Looking at that from a health perspective, if you’ve got like a group of dads who enjoy fitness, they’re more inclined to be into fitness themselves. So would you say that that’s the same when you’re looking at wealth? If you’ve got a group of people that are kind of more possession driven or more spendthrift driven, would you say that applies? 

Jason: Absolutely. I think your daily actions and how you spend most of your time and how you spend most of your money, dictates your highest values. And if you are going spending time with… This is where the problem is, right? There’s a saying that you are the equivalent of the average of the five people you spend most time around. And quite a few people over the years have asked me if there’s a degree of truth to that and my honest answer is pretty spot on. It’s pretty spot on because if you are spending time with people who, let’s just say, are earning a low income, whatever a low income might be to you. 

Let’s just say to your listeners, think about your income and then think about the category of income below yours and then imagine spending time around five people that are all approximately the average of that income. What they’re going to have is they’re going to have solutions to business ideas from people that earn that income, they’re going to have problems with people that have that income, they’re just going to have the same outlook. They’re going to have the same habits, they’re going to have a lifestyle of people with that income, they’re going to have strategies with people of that income, they’re going to have opinions of people with that income, and there’s no way you can grow. 

There’s absolutely no way you can grow because if you’re just the average of those five people, and if you add up their incomes and divide them by five, I’d tell you it’s probably going to be spot on within 10 or 20 grand a year difference. If you’re just spending your time with those people, then how can you expect to grow? You need challenge. You need people to challenge you. 

Now, in terms of fitness, yeah, that can be great because you can get around people, you get accountability, but what I find is I’ve always said, if you’re the smartest person in the room, you’re in the wrong room. I know from my own thing and I know with fitness as well, if you imagine trying to get down to your ideal weight, if someone’s not pushing you beyond what you would want to push because they’re the same level, then you’re just not going to get the results, are you? It’s almost like you’ve got a rubber band around your waist and you’re running towards a wall and you’ve got to press a button on the wall and you can’t quite reach the wall because no one’s pushing you beyond the stretch of the rubber band. So it’s the same with wealth building: if you’re just using strategies and tactics from people earning 30 grand a year, you’re only going to earn 30 grand a year.

Darren: Yeah, definitely. It’s almost like there’s this theoretical ceiling in place, isn’t it? It’s like you can’t push beyond that because it’s uncomfortable, or you fear a kind of rejection from the crowd, isn’t it? I mean, particularly around fitness, when I started to do that, I actually lost friends over it. I stopped drinking because I wanted to get fit and healthy, and the more I did, the better I felt so the less I wanted to drink, and it kind of snowballed from there and they really took offense to it. It’s the same with wealth as well. You can imagine the conversations, “Look at them, they’re getting wealthier or they’ve got these businesses or they’re moving to a nicer house,” and all the rest of it. It’s almost like you’re kind of chastised if you buck the trend or move away from the crowd. 

Jason: Oh yeah. Again, that comes down to the animal brain. People want you to do well but not better than them, or what they perceive to be better than them. When you cross that threshold, from the animal part of their brain, they will want you to slow down or bring you back down because, instinctively, you are going to survive longer than them. It’s almost like this hardwired part of your brain literally turns animalistic and now you’re a competitor. So as soon as you start to thrive and do well, they will see you as a threat to their existence and want to pull you back down. And you can’t really rewire that unless you self-develop or break away from the crowd. 

Darren: Yeah. Which is very uncomfortable to do. Like you said, it’s being comfortable with being uncomfortable…

Jason: That’s it. Yeah, you mentioned a theoretical ceiling. There’s also like a theoretical floor. And I think you’d get much better results if you raise the floor rather than raise the ceiling, because the floor is essentially your standards. So when you can raise your standards, you don’t settle for average. Instead of trying to raise the ceiling… All you’re doing by raising the ceiling is you’ve got a greater void to jump for. Whereas if you raise the floor, the ceiling will naturally raise because you’re raising your standards, you’re raising your circle of influence, you’re raising your knowledge, your health, your fitness, your wealth, and the ceiling will just raise automatically. 

Darren: Yeah, that’s a good analogy. That’s actually better than the one that I described. You mentioned that you had your son at a very young age and I think you’ve got two boys now, haven’t you?

Jason: Yeah: one’s about to turn 15 and one’s about to turn 12.

Darren: Right. Okay, cool. Cool ages. Obviously, you run multiple businesses, you’ve got your trading business, you’ve got your Tiers of Freedom programme which is a wealth building programme. How do you fit in nutrition and fitness into your daily routine? Is that something you plan in or how does it work?

Jason: Oh, absolutely. My answer to that would just be habit. I always say make it hard to fail. None of us are superhuman, right? And there’s no way that everyone has everything high on their values. People come to fitness trainers because they want to delegate that to the fitness trainer. Same as people that are not interested in finance, they’ll delegate to an accountant or a fund manager or something like that, and they’re not inspired to do it. 

What I like to think of it is I like to work on what I’m inspired to work on but everything else, I like to build habits and routine around so that it’s kind of inevitable, so I can’t fail. I will do things like ensure that I drink my water by buying bulk water so I don’t have to go and pour it out. I literally have a bottle with me every day and I’ll have an alarm on my phone every half hour that just pings off and says guzzle some water, and I’ll make sure that I drink three litres every day doing that. Also, if I’m trying to lose weight, I’ll buy packaged salads and things like that so that I don’t have to go and prep the food, if you know what I mean. You kind of make it easy to succeed, hard to fail. 

And then other than that, I have literally a structured whiteboard where I just put everything down: what I’m doing, when I’m doing it, so that I have to stop what I’m doing at a certain time and go and do the run or do the gym. If you have to think, you’ll fail. If you have to rely on emotion, as soon as emotion gets involved, then your mind is no longer objective and you lose consistency and you just won’t do it. So I like to have a clear calendar, book it all into my calendar, book it all into the whiteboard here–we’ve got a family whiteboard with our family structure there–and I just make sure that I get it done. So it’s kind of routine.

Darren: Yeah, it’s perfect. I’m a massive advocate of that and scientists have actually studied this and it’s been proven that if you’ve got it booked into your calendar, you are more inclined to do it. It’s almost like you’re obligated to do it than you are to miss it or not do it. So, yeah. 

Jason: You don’t always want to do it. There’s times where I literally talk myself out of running halfway through. Not even halfway through the run; 100 metres from the run. I’m like: turn back, turn back, turn back, turn back. And then I just start kind of competing with my own mind. I’m quite competitive so I usually win! I don’t like to lose.

Darren: Definitely, I can relate to that. It was a shocking day yesterday and I was like, I don’t want to run. 

Jason: Why shouldn’t I do it today?

Darren: Yeah. When you come back, you’ll feel better, and sure enough, you do feel better. We’re in times where information is in abundance, it’s readily available for all areas of our lives–online and everything–fitness, wealth. So why is it, do you think, that the majority of us aren’t millionaires with six pack abs? 

Jason: It’s really interesting you say it like that because this is like a health and fitness podcast and we’re talking about wealth. When you talk about the principles of losing weight for instance, it’s literally: eat less calories than you burn, right? It’s as simple as that and yet it is like hundreds and hundreds of billions that go into the industry. People trying to find the right DVD, the right workout video, the right coaching programme… With wealth building, you spend less than you earn. So, it’s like, if I was to go out and sell a programme and I’m going to say, “Right, here’s my wealth programme. You spend less than you earn.” People will be like “What?” But that’s it, that’s essentially it. 

Obviously, there’s a lot of mindset that goes into that but the principles are that simple. If you want to lose weight, you eat less calories than you burn. It’s simple as that. The problem is people try to avoid pain before seeking pleasure. Now, a lot of people say, “Oh, everyone wants a quick win or they want to get rich quick,” but actually, it’s the other way around. They’re avoiding pain first and the quick one seems like that comes as a result of avoiding pain. Although on the outside it looks like we’re seeking the quick win, it’s actually come from avoiding pain first. 

Going back to the brain, if you were a caveman back in the caveman days, if you had 100 metres to go to your cave and there was an apple tree 100 metres away and then there was a lion 100 metres away in the other direction, you would run to your cave to avoid the pain of the lion before you ran to the tree and got the apple. But because we’re avoiding pain, it means that we don’t want to do the hard work first. When you have to lose weight, you have to actually do some work. All we see is people trying to jump system to system to system to avoid doing the most work. It’s not actually trying to get the quick thing, it’s avoiding the most pain. 

It’s the same with wealth building. People are like, “Ah, it can’t take that long. I can’t have to research that, I can’t have to actually track my spending or do this or do that. I just want something else. There must be something else out there that does it without me having to do that work,” if that makes sense. And it’s exactly the same. I think it’s the same in health and fitness, I think it’s the same in wealth building. It’s the fact that we just want to avoid. We need to flip that around. We need to kind of accept that there’s some work to do and then have a plan and then appreciate that whole exponential growth. Because like with wealth building, fitness, if you’re trying to lose weight, you don’t see any results really until later on in the plan, do you? And then it’s exponential. It’s like, bang! Like over two weeks, it’s like, “Wow! You look completely different.” But people just don’t want to put that work in.

Darren: No, that’s totally right. I always use the analogy like we’re in an Amazon economy. Everyone wants to click and have it in 24 hours. 

Jason: What they really don’t want to do is drive to the shop. 

Darren: Exactly. It’s crazy, isn’t it? When you break it down like that, it just seems crazy that it’s almost like we’re trying to overcomplicate it. Whereas if we just dial it all back and realise that with everything, there is time and effort you need to put in in order to get a result. And so, if you just do that, you will get a result. 

Jason: Hundred percent. 

Darren: To summarise, Jason, what five key actions would you say the listeners could take away to work on their mindset to reach personal growth, whether that would be health, whether that would be wealth building.

Jason: Okay, so I’m a massive fan and believer in we only achieve things when we’re not overwhelmed and we don’t have a daunting kind of exercise ahead of us. I’m a fan of breaking things down. So my advice to anyone achieving any goal: first of all, don’t be unrealistic. Like don’t beat yourself up and try to achieve a goal that isn’t high on your values. Don’t do it because it’s the societal thing to do, don’t do it because someone else expects it of you; do it for you. Only do goals for you and you’ll probably find you’ve only got one two or three that you want to achieve in the next year or so. 

My steps would be to write one to three things down that you want to achieve in the next year. Break that year into quarters, so immediately you see the year as four different sections. And then those three goals, break out those three goals or one to three goals… It might even be one goal, but break those things out over the quarters in a realistic time period. And then within each of those one to three goals, break each one down into seven main categories. And then in those seven categories, spread out those, write as many tasks that are in each of those seven categories, and then spread those tasks over the 90 days in each quarter. All of a sudden, you’ll find that you can put a half hour a day or 20 minutes a day into your calendar to work on those tasks and in 90 days or 180 days or however long you’ve spread out for that one goal, you will achieve it. But as long as you put it in your calendar and you treat it like it’s as important as a doctor’s appointment, do everything. 

Book it in, put yourself first, get it in there, and put everything else around it. And trust me, you’ll make it work. You just need to look at those tasks, look at your calendar or your to-do list or your chore list or whatever, and go, “Is this something I need to do/ should to do/ have to do, or is it something I want to do/ I love to do/ and I feel inspired to do? And put those things first and put all the other things around it and I promise you, it will work out. When you break it down like that, you remove all the overwhelm and you’re talking about 10 minutes, 20 minutes a day. 

Darren: That’s fantastic advice and something that, as a result of being on your programme, that I now do as well. Like you say, these big goals that we have seem quite insignificant once you’ve broken it down like that. 

Jason: Even if you don’t get it all complete, you’ve got much more complete than you would have done if you didn’t.

Darren: Yeah, I think that’s the key factor as well. Because we often beat ourselves up if we don’t complete it or we let ourselves get stressed out. But sometimes these things happen and the fact that you’ve even attempted it in the first place and broken it down and had it in a structure is the main thing, I think.

Jason: I think the biggest mistake people make is they set goals but don’t plan goals. Whatever you plan, you get. Whatever you plan happens, and I talk about this all the time. If you plan a barbecue, you’ll have a barbecue and it will go well unless it’s weather. If you plan a holiday, you’ll go on holiday, you will come back, you’ll talk about the holiday–it all went as planned. What people don’t do is plan their goals. They set goals and they just have this “airy fairy I’d love to do that,” but they don’t actually plan it. And if you use the strategy that I just gave you, you can use that to actually plan when you’re going to do the little bits that add up to the big goal. 

In terms of how much time to dedicate to that, I’ll use the holiday example. I always say if you were to go on a seven-day holiday, you’d probably spend about two hours planning that seven day holiday: with the airport, the parking, looking up the villa or the insurance and all the rest of it. That equates to about 1.6 or 1.7% of the seven days. So if you were to apply that same principle to your year, it would work out to about seven to 10 days, depending on how long you sleep for. Now, how many people spend seven to 10 days planning their year? Probably not many. So it’s no wonder you’re not achieving the things that you said you want to achieve. You’re not planning it and all you’re going to end up doing is beating yourself up about not achieving it.

Darren: Yeah. It sounds so simple, doesn’t it, when you break it down like that? But yeah, I think it’s very, very important that that happens, particularly if there’s a particular thing you want to achieve or an outcome that you want. 

Jason, it’s been fantastic talking to you. Before we wrap up today, what didn’t I ask you that you feel that I should have asked you, which would benefit the listeners?

Jason: What didn’t you ask me that would benefit the listeners? Well, what podcast do you host? Just kidding! I think you covered some really, really valuable topics. I would say, yeah, I can’t think of anything. I couldn’t have done it better myself.

Darren: Perfect. On the subject of your podcast, I highly recommend that people go over and listen to the Always Free podcast. It is a fantastic podcast and it’s got a very specific structure, isn’t it, in terms of how people should listen to it? Because you’ve laid it out that way.

Jason: Yeah, I started the podcast and decided to just tell my life story bit by bit.

Darren: It is fantastic and it’s such a good listen in our house that my son even knows the theme tune to it. He sings it, believe it or not. So how can other people connect with you Jason, as well? There’s lots of different platforms that you’re on.

Jason: Just the usual socials. If you’re on Instagram, my name is @J_Graystone. Watch out on Instagram because I am in the financial world and there’s quite a few people trying to avoid pain and seek pleasure by jumping on the bandwagon and copying my account and all the rest of it, unfortunately, but it’s @J_Graystone. Twitter @JasonGraystone, YouTube @Jason Graystone or you can go over Facebook, all the usuals, but I highly recommend the podcast. And you can go and get the newsletter each week as well–JasonGraystone.com.

Darren: Perfect. Sign up for that guys as well and follow Jason on Instagram because he’s always on Stories and really drops out some great tips throughout the day. Jason, thanks very much for joining me on the show today and I look forward to catching up with you again soon.

Jason: Excellent. Thanks, Darren. Take care.

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