Episode Highlights

00:00:14 Guest Introductions
00:04:12 A Brief Background
00:08:57 How It All Started For BulletProof
00:12:38 Bio-Hacking
00:17:52 Optimizing Everything with Biohacking
00:19:43 In Depth on What Works
00:31:30 Cholesterol
00:37:03 Age Doesn’t Matter
00:45:20 Anti Aging Technologies Soon
00:47:59 Evolution
00:54:00 5 key things from Dave
01:01:57 Connect with Dave


Fitness Guide





Welcome to the Fitter Healthier Dad Podcast, where you can learn how to improve your diet, lose fat and get fitter in a sustainable and fun way without spending hours in the gym is your host Darren Kirby.


Darren: Welcome back to the podcast, guys. This is the number one podcast for dads in their 40s who want to improve their health and fitness. This is Episode 65. And joining me on today’s show is Dave Asprey, who’s the father of biohacking and the creator of the bulletproof diet over the last two decades.

Dave has worked with world renowned doctors, researchers, scientists and global mavericks to uncover the latest most innovative methods, techniques and products for enhancing mental and physical performance.

Dave has personally spent over two million dollars taking control of his own biology, pushing the bounds of human possibility, all in the name of science, evolution and revolution. That his mission is to empower the entire globe with information and knowledge that unlocks the superhuman in everyone at any age.

Darren: Dave, thanks very much for joining me on the podcast today. How are you?

Dave: I am doing really well. Happy to be here.

Darren: Yeah, thank you. Fantastic. And yeah, like I said, really appreciate you taking the time to come on the podcast today. How have you been in this crazy 2020 that we’re facing right now?

Dave: You know, I’ve done enough neuro feedback and personal development work to understand fear versus reality, and I did an episode early on in the and the pandemic, which talks about what’s called a moral panic when everyone starts doing something because it’s fear driven, but it’s the right thing to do.

And we have a huge amount of hygiene theater like we know it’s not spread by touching things yet we sterilize the crap out of everything, which is bad for us. We need a microbiome. We need a skin biome. And we’re doing it not because it works.

We’re doing it because we signal that we are moral beings and we care about others. And we’ve got to stop doing that because moral panics can destroy societies. In fact, it’s in the middle of doing that right now. The middle class is being wiped out all over the planet. So that said, I’m lucky I have multiple companies. One of mine is in live events, restaurants and a replacement for gyms.

I mean, it’s been rough. There’s no doubt about it. I mean, those are all three of the worst businesses, all in one. So I’ve really struggled to save that one. Others, I mean, bulletproof stuff that makes people healthier and stronger and less hungry. And, you know, it’s a good thing to be in an e-commerce health oriented time in my neurofeedback companies going crazy because people are more stressed.

And so that’s called 40 years Zen, by the way. It’s you come there for five days and hack your brain and people can’t sleep. So they’re buying my true dark the glasses that you more than block blue.

So I’m grateful. I live in an island. We raise our own food anyway. So like I, I couldn’t be happier that I left, you know, the California madness in order to move to Canada ten years ago. So I’m in a crown country and I just look at my friends in L.A. and San Francisco and Silicon Valley in New York and men, there’s a lot of pain. And my friends in London it is is really scary. Right. And here I am. You know, my biggest problem is rain. So I’m lucky.

Darren: Yeah. I mean, you say right, though. It’s like the following the masses and the hysteria and everything is created as a result of media. And I don’t know if you had the same kind of things over there, but we had this crazy situation of people bulk buying toilet roll, rice and all this kind of stuff. You know, it’s just yeah, it’s quite alarming how people just follow the crowd.

So. Yeah, but they feel for people that haven’t come across you, bulletproof and all the really good stuff that you’re doing. Can you give us a brief background on you before you kind of got to bullet proof? And then what caused you to create bullet proof in the first place?

Dave: I was an early innovator in Silicon Valley. I was a co-founder of the company that held Google’s first server back when it was in the Facebook was around instead of Facebook. And I made six million dollars and I was twenty six and I lost it when I was twenty eight and I had hit three hundred pounds. So my career’s taking off but my brain is not working.

I’ve had arthritis since I was 14 and my knees. I’ve been on antibiotics every month for fifteen months from chronic sinus infections. I can’t remember what’s going on in meetings and I’m, I’m genuinely worried.

And the doctor told me vitamin C would kill me, which was such garbage that when I challenged him with basic like, how can this happen? He basically had no answer and I fired him. So I became an angry entrepreneur who just did all of my own health research because I tried everything that was supposed to work. And then when it didn’t, I said, I’m going to measure what works.

And because I’m a computer hacker, literally a computer hacker by training, then I’m just going to hack myself. And that led to the creation of a field called biohacking, which has millions of people who follow it.

And it’s been written about in all the magazines I created, the bulletproof diet, which is how I recovered from being a vegan when a low fat diet at a time based diet would be helpful. No, it is not. Plant based diets are not good for you. Eating lots of certain plants is good for you though, so you don’t have to be all or nothing. There’s this amazing thing called being in the middle that we seem to have lost societally around the world right now.

And the bulletproof diet, like I was saying, a million pounds. I’m going to stone, that is. But it’s a lot. Yeah. And since then I’ve written about how to live way past one hundred and how it is happening right now.

It’s not a science fiction in the future. It is today. And what to do to live longer than you’re supposed to do with the brain that works. And my new book is called Fast This Way. That’s coming out shortly. OK, order it now on Amazon. You’ve got to fast this way dot com to get a link to it. And there no one will fast, especially in the UK. And I have friends and family in the UK.

I’m over there to speak. A lot of products have been in demand there for eight years. Tom Watson has been a big supporter who lost, I think, five stone on bullet proof. And it’s just been very vocal about I’m like. He’s been on my show, Bulletproof Radio, and it’s funny, I’m a tech fat computer hacking entrepreneur.

This is how I self-identified at the beginning of this. I was desperate. The stuff didn’t work and I wasn’t desperate. I was fat. I was already married like I was. OK, if you can’t have a dad bod, like it’s OK. Right.

But it was this problem of my brain work, my emotions all over the place. I’m getting pissed when I shouldn’t be pissed. And by the way, I really want to say bollocks. And even though I worked for a company in Cambridge, England, I still can’t use that word right.

So I’m just avoiding it entirely complexes to British.

But anyway, I was having a bad time and it was that desire to do this that led me to an anti aging nonprofit group.

And I’m learning from guys three times my age. I have more energy than me. And I realized, wait, you don’t have to be hunched over in a wheelchair and unable to care for yourself and all that as you age. So now I am in my late forties and I am ten point two percent body fat and my reaction time in my brain, remember, I run a neuroscience company, I can measure this.

I have the reaction time of a 20 year old on average, and my artery is measured with their flexibility as a twenty four year old and I’m never hungry. So my book Fast This Way is how do you practice intermittent fasting without feeling pain? Because no one wants to fast.

That’s horrible. It’s like the art of slapping yourself in the face. No one’s going to do that. But what if fasting was cheaper, easier and zero pain? Like I didn’t have to make breakfast. I save time. Now we’re talking. That’s all. That’s what I’m writing about so fast this way, dotcom, right?

Darren:  Yeah. I mean, it is fascinating, isn’t it, to take kind of take a socially acceptable and completely turn it on its head, as you did.

But what’s fascinating to me is the fact that you were already hugely successful and you obviously were performing at a level that enabled you to be successful, but yet your health was still really, really poor.

So some might say you were a fantastic human being already.

And now you must be kind of exponential in terms of. 

Dave:  I was a jerk, just to be super clear, like I wasn’t a fantastic human being because I knew how to pick the right company to go to and I’m not going to lie. I think I’m pretty smart and I worked my ass off. I burn the candle at both ends and in the middle. Right. And I was really focused on my career and I was willing to ignore my health while I tried to do stuff.

But I didn’t do the research and I was willing to not travel and I was willing to not take holidayed the way you would in the UK. So I basically was way over working and I wasn’t doing any of the personal development work.

And what I’m seeing today is people in their twenties are absolutely willing to be more reflective than I was. I didn’t start any of this work till I was about thirty. And with bullet proof, the whole point of the blog when I started this, I was a VP at a large company.

I had stock options and I made a quarter million dollars a year and I lived on an island and my job was to fly to five star hotels and talk to people about computers. Yes, it’s not a bad life. I have two young kids, so I started a blog and I’m like five people are going to read this blog. They’re going to avoid spending the million dollars I spent on my own health to upgrade myself.

First three hundred thousand to get back to normal and then seven hundred thousand to see what’s possible. And that’s what I write about in all my books, on my blog, on Bulletproofed Radio. So it was going to be a nonprofit. Actually, I was going to put my blog on the anti aging nonprofit. But after three months of arguing about the right, you are my guys. I’m going to do marketing and you guys do the nonprofit thing like we’re old friends.

But I’m just going to write. I have to get this out there because people need this. And more than five people cared about this. How do you have you biohacking self? How do you upgrade your health? How do you have your health?

All of those kind of statements? Those are original bulletproof things and they’ve taken off everywhere. We talk about health, it’s all about being better instead of not being sick. So it was that mindset that the world needed to change. I believe that I led that charge. Yeah. To change how we think about it. So it’s not about you being OK. No one actually wakes up going today. I want to be healthy.

I mean, have you ever woken up like that? No, no. You wake up today. I’d like to win. I’d like to feel great. Like I’d like to have really good sex. I’d like to eat something that I love. I’d like to do something fun or maybe I’d like to see my kids win whatever, your health is like number seventeen on your honey do list. Yeah, right. And that’s the problem. So, no, we actually want to do more than be healthy.

And when you admit that to yourself, say, I want to be an entrepreneur, I want to be a dad, like I want to be an enlightened human being, whatever that is, that’s what matters. And I just I got sick of people writing these these weaselly.

Here’s five things you can do to be healthy. Eat bananas because they’re packed with potassium. Have you done math? There are packs of potassium. They’re packed with sugar and water, a little bit of fiber and trace amounts of potassium.

They’re actually not that good for you then I’m bad for you compared to French fries or whatever they’re called over there, I forget there’s a special name for French fries. Chips. Thank you. I was going to call them and cookies have a different name to biscuits. So I was confused my chips and biscuits and my Lawrie’s and lose. But I’m trying. 

Darren:  Doing a good job. Yeah, I mean, it’s around that the house side of things like you say, no one wakes up and says, I’m going to maximize my health today or unless you’re biohacking, obviously.

But but I think that I think the biggest tipping point for me, I know if you can relate to this, is that when you realize what feeling good is like, you just want to explore that more and you want to find out what else can you do, because it’s almost like in society, in order to have one thing, you have to give another thing up.

So in order to be successful, you’ve got to give up family life where you’ve got to give up being healthy in order to kind of destroy yourself being successful. But actually, you don’t. If you can perform at your best, then you are able to do way more and have way more.

Dave: Well, there’s this weird thing about doing way more, which is it’s a very kind of a manly perspective on it, which certainly I share like how many companies and my CEO of I don’t even want to say, yeah, right.

And well, doing more is a different thing than making it easy to do what you want to do. Right. So there’s this huge amount of resistance that comes in us. And the resistance comes mostly because the energy that we make in our body all life, air plus food equals electrons. The same electrons that are on your phone.

Darren: Yeah,

Dave: Right.

So what does that do that means if you are not good at turning air and food into electrons, you’ll have less energy and you have less energy. You’ll do less. And the stuff you do feels hard to do. So I found that by fixing my metabolism magically I had more energy to do stuff. And when you have more energy, it feels easier. And so that was step one was Fix My Metabolism, and that’s bulletproof diet.

And the second thing, though, that a lot of people don’t understand is what percentage of your thoughts are wasting electrons.

Because remember, those electrons can fold a protein to make new skin. They can make digestive enzymes and they can make you yell at your kids and they can make you breathe. They have to go somewhere in your body.

Incredibly elegantly allocates every electron, but most people spend 15 to 30 percent of their thoughts per day thinking about what’s for lunch or what’s for dinner.

Ok, now I started bulletproof, saying I’m going to disrupt a big food, we’re going to fix food so that it tastes good and it makes you feel good after you eat it. And one of the side effects of that, if you can actually trigger the hunger hormone to turn it off and turn on the fullness hormone is that there’s just no thoughts about food.

So that 15 to 30 percent of that goes into how am I going to parent, how am I going to handle this problem, what I want to do next. So everything gets easier when you change your thinking. So first it’s eat stuff so you’ll never be triggered to be hungry again.

And that’s why fast this way. That’s the whole structure. That is how do you make it so it’s not painful. Then the next thing is what about fear? Right. Because we all have fear.

We’re wired to not do things that might kill us. And if you don’t believe me, lean too close to a cliff or stumble on something in an automated system will take over and you’ll pull your hand away from something hot before we know it’s hot. That system is in its running all the time.

And if you pulled away from that stove, it’ll pull away from a difficult conversation that it perceives as hot, whether you even know you’re doing it or not. And what’s not going to tell you because it’s automated. So another huge chunk of stuff is taken up by fear. So the personal development process for me has been neurofeedback.

There’s been some plant medicines, deep breathing exercises. When you do those things, you find that the things in your head that think you’re going to die, they calm down. So when you learn how to breathe and you breathe out and you hold your breath, lungs empty for ten seconds, the first few times you said you’re going to have alarm bells going off like crazy, there are false alarms. You can go three minutes without breathing.

Right. And when you fast for twenty four hours, there’s a voice going, you’re going to starve to death. And that’s B.S. took you two months to starve to death. Where’s that coming from? Is coming from bad fear programming. So I’ve made a practice and I teach people who come to my website. They’ve asked me, people, listen to my podcast. Hey, here’s how you handle the biological side of that.

And here’s how you handle the psychological and the spiritual and emotional side of that. And if you fix the biology, you have enough energy to do the emotional work. But if your energy is broken, you don’t have enough energy to motion work. It’s too much work. And that was my problem when I was young. In fact, I try to do something, you know, personal development oriented. I was too tired and too angry because I didn’t have the electrons to tell myself to shut up.

That the conundrum of fix the biology, fix the psychology, fix the spiritual side. And if you do it sort of in that order, you have more energy than you ever thought you could have. I don’t know how I can be in my late forties and have what I have energetically because men I can remember things better. And I’m I’m I have less pain. Like, everything is better than when I was twenty five. And that’s possible for all of us.

Darren: Yeah, definitely. I mean I can, I can definitely relate to that. And yeah, you make a good point around things becoming easier because you are more optimal, you are healthier, you’re eating probably like you say, your mind’s clear, you’re doing breath well and they’re really basic things only when you break it down. But they go up to build quite a solid picture in terms of your overall kind of health and wellness.

And and for me, it’s really fascinating how we’ve not picked up on this, you know, previously. It’s only now that all of this stuff is really starting to come to the forefront and people are starting to pay way more attention. Me, if you talk to somebody ten years ago about meditation, I would think that you are crazy. Right? But I mean, how many apps and things are out there all day now about meditation and actually being mindful and concentrating on your thoughts?

Dave:  There’s billion dollar companies that help people meditate. And even my 40 years of Zen company people fly there and they spend five days and ten hours a day. They’ve got electrodes on their head and they’re doing stuff that would normally take decades of daily meditation and they’re replacing it with technology. And so for me, it’s about what’s the return on investment?

So you can meditate faster because I mean, let’s face it, we’re going to spend two hours a day meditating. That’s two hours a day. You didn’t play with your kids. You didn’t go for a walk in the park. You didn’t spend time with your spouse and you didn’t take care of your family financially. Right. So why were you meditating? Only if the return on that two hours is greater than it.

But if you could get the same returns and a half hour, you would do it. Yeah, at least I would. And so I’m that way with exercise. I’m that way with food and that way with everything that I do because I’m lazy. I want more spare time to do what I want.

And it’s OK to just say, you know what, I wanted to exercise less. I wanted to think about food less. I wanted to meditate less. But I did the amount that was necessary for me to feel the way I wanted to feel. And to me, that’s how to live.

Darren: Hundred percent complete. You hear that? So with a bulletproof door developed, when I talk to people about it so radically different to what we’ve been indoctrinated into in the Western world and that kind of thing.

So, you know, and if you talk to an adviser. So I say basic, but a normal doctor or a nutritionist, you know, we’ve been brought up on this low fat, this line that was developed plans for kids, and they knew it was bad when the data came out. But we’ve had this is lie around for so many years, so. You know, in terms of the bulletproof diet, can you explain the kind of basic pressure?

Dave: Sure.

Darren: I haven’t heard of it.

Dave: So I was a vegan, I was a raw vegan. I was on the zone diet. I was on the Atkins diet. I’ve been paleo. I’ve tried many, many other dietary experiments. And I could always lose half the weight I had to lose and the other half would stick around.

So it took me three months to lose 50 pounds, which is, what, two and a half stone or something. And it took me 10 years to lose the other half of that, because it turns out inflammation is one of the things that makes you fat and you can lose some fat. So you’ll see people at low carb conferences walking around weighing three or four hundred pounds and you’re going it doesn’t look like it works.

Oh, no, I used to weigh six hundred pounds. This works great. The problem is I stopped two years ago. I can’t lose any more weight, but it’s because I’m eating one gram of sugar and like, no, it’s because there’s something else happening here.

So for me, getting to the point where I felt really good all the time was the goal. And if I was nine percent or 15 percent body fat, I don’t really care. I want to feel good and I want my blood levels to show that I’m going to live a long time.

So what I came up with was the bullet here to which many people used to heal from plant based diets. The big issue is No. One, bad oils. And the stereotypical thing that you think of traditional British food, I don’t know any other country that deep fries salad. But you guys do that.

Darren: Yeah,

Dave: OK.

But now London is a hub of international food, but it’s all cooked with soybean oil, canola oil, corn oil, sunflower oil, safflower oil, the oil, because they’re cheap. Guess what? They are not compatible with your human biology. You need a very small amount of omega six fat. What is compatible? Well, let’s see. What’s the one type of fat your body can make from scratch?

It’s a saturated fat called pulmonic acid.

So when we eat things that are in good old fashioned carry gold butter, which is my favorite butter, by the way, the cultured butter, the silver label, unsalted is the best one. And there are some other really good premium brands that are there as well.

But what you’re going to find is that that butter is compatible with us. Egg yolks are good for you, not if they’re super crispy and really hard boiled, but a soft boiled egg is amazing if you’re not allergic to it.

And coconut oil and a few like avocados and macadamia nuts and things like that. But people have gone crazy because they’re either eating no fats. Your cell membranes are all made out of fat, your brain is made out of fat.

Your body carefully holds the amount of fat in the brain constant. So we’ve broken our molecular machinery by eating oils that have never existed in human human society. So what that means is we go back to what works, which is butter, which is grass fed animals, not industrially raised animals. And Karingal is grass fed at least 90 percent of the time in midwinter.

It might not be all grass fed. And when you do that, something magic happens, but it takes at first you just I feel so much better. My brain turned on. But after two years, I’ve replaced half the fat in your body with properly made membranes. It takes two years to replace half fat in your body. And when you do that, all of a sudden you’re actually have less cravings for fat, but you still eat some of it.

And the fastest and best way that I know to tell people how to feel what they’re capable of feeling is bulletproof coffee. We’ve done more than two hundred million cups of bulletproof coffee. It’s not going to change my life if someone starts it or doesn’t start it. I’m just telling you this because it changed my life and I believe it’ll work for you. So you take brewed coffee.

My beans are lab tested. They’re different because they don’t have toxins in them. But let’s say that you didn’t even use my beans. OK, then you take grass fed butter. Yes, it matters. Margarine doesn’t work and butter from cows, they corn and soy doesn’t work because it has the wrong fat. It’s the type of fat that’s called the bullet proof that then you blend it along with an oil called brain octane oil, which is one of the many types of oil that are available.

I’m bulletproof, made collagen protein and oil popular. They didn’t, they weren’t categorized before. Now they’re a big deal.

So you put that on there, you blend it, it tastes like a latte and magically you drink, it goes it tasted good. But then within fifteen minutes, something happens. Your liver starts to use the oil to make ketones as if you’ve been fasting for two or three days. And those ketones when they rise.

Well, the hunger hormone, which is called ghrelin, it drops. And when the fullness hormone called TCCC goes up, all the sudden you feel full. So you had your bulletproof coffee for breakfast and you don’t care about food until lunch at lunch. I guess I could eat.

And it’s the first time in your adult life that you didn’t really, really want to go eat whatever you eat in mid morning and to a muffin, some sort of donut. I don’t know what’s the most common mid-morning snack in the UK? I don’t I don’t get morning snacks when I’m there. I never ate it.

Darren: Yeah. I mean, it’s kind of like a muffin or granola bar or something like that. Milky coffee.

Dave: There you go. So you do this, if you need more, you can have another coffee. People do that and they’re saying, wait a minute, I feel better. I didn’t have to make breakfast and then I’m losing weight. In fact, at the end of the month, I lost a stone.

This isn’t even possible. And that’s what happened with Tom Watson in the press. Like, you know, he’s losing all this weight. What’s going on? He said, well, try the bulletproof diet. So on the day you eat only good fats, you don’t eat the bad fats.

Yes. You also.

Lower your sugar and you don’t eat grains, grains are cheap, but they’re inflammatory. You can eat some white rice, but unfortunately, if you’re going to eat a lot of bread, you will be fat. And there are a few people who just eat bread all the time who aren’t fat, except if you run their labs or you look at them and their fat is packed around their organs and they’re actually really in danger. It’s called visceral fat.

My visceral fat is around what an 18 year olds visceral fat looks like. It’s at the very low end.

And like I said, I’m not hungry. I don’t diet. I skip breakfast a lot. I practice intermittent fasting like in my new book Fast This Way, but I don’t suffer as a result of it. So today for my time, it’s three o’clock in the afternoon and for breakfast I had bulletproof coffee.

Right. And I didn’t care about food anymore. And then at two thirty I had some roast beef, grass fed roast beef and Somalis and I am completely full. It took me all of five minutes to eat. It was right before we recorded this, so.

Did I save time because I don’t think about food the whole time, did I almost not eat that lunch because I just didn’t really feel like it? Yeah, I almost skipped it. And I said, I’m going to do a photo shoot later. I guess I should eat something, otherwise I’ll go to dinner. But this is what happens when you’re free from food and that’s what the bulletproof diet does.

So it cuts out inflammatory stuff that keeps you feeling hungry all the time and makes you feel fat. And I’ll tell you, go to DaveAsprey.com David Aspe, just like Asbury’s of London, Dave Asprey dot com, and then search for the bulletproof diet road map and you can download it for free.

And it tells you on one page, here’s what here’s what not to eat and you’ll find some pretty profound differences.

Darren: Yeah. And I think for me, I think it’s been close to two years now since I’ve been doing bulletproof coffee in the morning. And for me, the biggest change that I noticed was my cognitive alertness. Yeah, right.

So so yes, you might get a kick from coffee, but what bulletproof gives you is that constant alertness and awareness throughout the morning where I would argue the majority of people, if they follow the traditional Western diet where they’ve had their nice testosterone killing Kellogg’s corn flakes and their coffee in the morning come ten o’clock that this massive debt and then they pick it.

So they constantly take it and troughing and their cognitive ability is just, you know, they take that, I would assume as far as how you all. But I can assure you when you try this, it’s definitely not.

Dave: It is one of those things where if you imagine you’re Superman, yeah, and someone told you that if you just put this green stuff in your smoothie, that it’s good for you. And I’m not talking about kale, although kale is bad for you.

Raw kale especially is truly harmful. I’ve been ringing that bell for nine years and the word’s finally getting out. Plus, it tastes bad. But anyway, it’s not kale. He’s actually putting a bit of his kryptonite superfood in a smoothie and he goes, Yeah, OK, I’m getting old.

This is just how I feel. Right? And you can still fly, just maybe not as fast and as lasers, a little bit dull, but whatever. You just get used to it and becomes the new normal. And then one day he skips a smoothie because man, I feel really good.

I wonder what I just did and he doesn’t know. Well, I am telling you right now that you’re feeling bad because you have packed your system with bad oils.

It’s going to take you two years to clean those out and that what you’re doing every day in the morning, eating a bunch of grains and sugar for breakfast is ruining your metabolism and making you feel like crap. It makes you treat your family poorly.

It makes you overweight. It makes you fall asleep on the road and it makes you slow and drugged. And it did it to me. And you’re saying, but I’m so successful. I mean, six million dollars. And I was twenty six, like I said earlier, but I felt like crap the whole time and that’s the difference. And when you do this one day, just like you’re feeling you’re oh I can feel like this and you’ll do almost anything to feel that way.

So this is a gateway drug to every other bulletproofed practice that I’ve popularized. Cold showers. Yeah. You’ll hate me if you take a cold shower for three days because it takes three days to change the amount of cardiolipin in your mitochondrial membrane, according to studies. And after three days, the cold shower doesn’t hurt anymore. But all day long. Yeah, I feel good. I’ve got this. That’s what I want people to understand.

And at this point, look, I’ve had three and four New York Times best sellers. My podcast has two hundred million downloads. I have companies with hundreds of millions of dollars in sales they’ve done. I don’t have to do any of this like I can be done. I do this because it’s the most precious thing that I’ve ever found in my life.

And if someone had told me when I was 20 years old, I stop eating all that carb stuff, that low fat chicken salad, no chicken and no dressing, that’s not what’s going to sustain you. It would have saved me hundreds of thousands of dollars in health care bills and it would have made me so much nicer to people around me. So we can build a world full of people are nice. The first step to being nice to other people is not being hungry.

I think we can do it. 

Darren: Hundred percent. I think when we consider our families and our relationships right, there’s this constant thing. We want to have lots of energy. We want to be nice around our friends. We want to be nice, very nice family, have good relationships with people all joining up the dots between their diets and how they’re feeling and and how they’re performing. And that is it is intrinsically linked.

And it’s getting that message out there and making people understand that you don’t have to follow this kind of platform or whatever we’ve been kind of fed into, if you like. And by changing some really basic stuff, when you break it down, you can have such a fundamental impact. But one of the things I really want to touch on around bulletproofing and it’s around, you know, we think when we specifically men in their 40s. Right.

You’re talking about heart disease, heart attacks, high cholesterol, all the rest of it. Now, it’s interesting. I just have my blood come back last week and funnily enough, I have high cholesterol. Why is that? Because I eat a lot of saturated fats, but I have low information.

What? I had pretty much zero information. And my blood sugar is perfect, so I don’t have an issue with that. But modern society have a huge issue with the whole cholesterol thing. So what are your thoughts and comments on that?

Dave: The history of cholesterol is really funny because back in the day when we didn’t have the ability to look at our blood chemistry, we could take blood. In fact, I have some antique test tubes back there somewhere because I collect weird old stuff that used to get everything your iPhone does now.

And they could spin it and they could say, look, there’s a layer of yellow. Let’s because we can see the yellow, we can measure how thick it is. That must mean something. Let’s build a whole hypothesis, a whole set of myths around this yellow layer.

And that was cholesterol. But now the fact is there’s many different kinds of cholesterol.

And if cholesterol is doing harm, it will always every single time be reflected in a number called LPI play, too. This is an enzyme that’s released by damage to the lining of your arteries. So if you go to your doctor, your doctor’s cholesterol, cholesterol. Well, then you say, oh, maybe it is harmful, let’s not be religious and dogmatic about this, if it’s harmful, prove it. Give me my play to score.

Show me my homocysteine score and show me my C reactive protein score. Now, when people go in the bulletproof diet, what usually happens is their HDL, the protective cholesterol goes really high, higher than they’ve ever seen, which is like, wow, that’s amazing.

How do you do that?

And your LDL, which isn’t bad cholesterol. It can be good. It can be bad. In other words, it’s neutral, but it can go up or it can go down. It depends on the person and your triglycerides, which are a risk number. It drops precipitously.

So I dropped a dangerous one, I raised a protective one and the other one did something. But what always happens is your inflammation markers go down for most people. And if they don’t go down, if your homocysteine doesn’t go down, it’s genetic and you have a problem with inflammation because you don’t handle your B vitamins well. And there’s a hack for that. It’s called my MTHFR.

And if your C reactive protein is high, you have an infection somewhere in your body or you did your blood labs right after working out hard.

And you need to look at that or you’re not sleeping well, could be it. So you have those two. And then at the end of the day, if your help is low and your cholesterol’s high, guess what that means? Your odds of dying from all cause mortality just went down because people with high cholesterol are the ones who live a very long time, as long as they’re not inflamed.

So when a doctor is a cholesterol, it’s bad for you. You know, if you want to get an argument, you say prove it or you could just get another doctor, because there are now at least one hundred thousand doctors globally who have studied functional medicine.

So the anti aging medicine and they know very well, oh, I’m not worried about this number at all. And they know that if they put you on drugs, that lower cholesterol, what happens or even food lowers cholesterol, it breaks your ability to take air and food and make electron’s, which causes systemic problems like joint pain, muscle aches, even dementia, and probably an increased risk of cancer.

So anti cholesterol drugs are stupid because cholesterol is not the problem. Oxidized cholesterol called LDL that you can measure that comes from eating burned and fried stuff.

That is a risk factor, normal cholesterol, not a risk factor. And anyone who says it is cannot prove it with any direct cause. All they do is say this guy in the 70s ask people what they ate and we think their cholesterol was high and therefore we think it’s bad. It’s baloney science.

Darren: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. But it is trying to explain that to people may not as well versed as you are in all the various different areas of it, but it is interesting because when you talk to people about free thought and what you’re doing, that the instant reaction is like, wow, what? This guy’s crazy. But yeah, I mean you have to try to feel the benefits of it.

Dave: So it’s funny. Was it the Telegraph said that the bulletproof diet is everything wrong with America today? It was the Diet Coke. I love the press in the UK because they’re such jerks. Right. And like in America, they pretend like, oh well in the US, there in the UK, like, no, no, no, we’re just going to just punch everyone. So I respect that very much.

And what happens is you look at the doctor or the nutritionist or whoever it is, the guy’s cholesterol, and you look at how many Chains they have and you look at their waistband. And if a doctor who was lean and strong and full of energy and they look like they’ve got this, you might want to listen to what they have to say.

And when the dowi unhealthy person who can barely fit in their car is telling you to eat less fat, then you look at them. So how’s that working for you? And you know what they say? And I’ve asked him that politely.

You know what they say? Oh, well, my advice works. I just don’t follow it. But yes, no one can eat a low fat diet for long periods of time. So what they do is they eat bad fats and then they feel guilty about it like I used to when I was fat.

So stop giving advice to people can’t and won’t follow. And you want to meet the most miserable, hateful, angry person on Earth. It’s a person who lives on only kale. Yeah. They hate their life. They hate everyone around them and they want to eat their cat. But that’s just how it is. It’s OK. Like I have some butter already. You’ll be nicer.

Darren: Yeah, exactly. I mean, the whole yeah. The whole kind of plant based thing is. Yeah we could go off on a tangent with that one is it’s not that it’s modern farming methods which is the main mine.

Dave: And I do live in an organic farm. We raise our own sheep, we raise our own pigs. You got grass fed or don’t eat the animals.

Darren: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

So in terms of the society, don’t we just said around diet and heart disease that there’s also the common acceptance I guess is that as you hit this magic number of forty years old, it’s almost like you said, you’ve hit that number now it’s all downhill, right. You’ll get in, your health starts to deteriorate. But I.

As you’ve already said, your biologies is round about twenty eight or twenty years old, something. 

Dave: It depends which measure you want to do, my blood is twenty four, my brain is twenty or my blood, my blood vessels are. And, you know, there’s always room for improvement. You know, I want younger hair, but I’m doing all right.

And I there’s a lot I don’t like about where I am right now, to be perfectly honest. But the reason is I don’t look at myself as being in my late forties on some sort of thing. I recently celebrated my twenty seventh birthday because I have, I truly believe, based on math and science.

I wrote a book that hit the monthly New York Times science bestseller list like The Big One. Yeah, well, that book was called Headstrong and my other book, Superhuman, about aging.

I talk about why is one hundred and eighty years reasonable for us. So from that perspective, I’m just getting going. Yeah, I have a lot more time to become wise, which comes with age. Right now we have an epidemic of a lack of village elders.

There was always some old people with lots of energy who would watch the grandkids and impart their knowledge and they would tell the forty year olds, hey, son, you’re making a big mistake there. You know, I did that when I was thirty and again when I was fifty.

And I’m just telling you, that’s going to hurt. And some of the people are for it. You’re going to listen and imagine what the world would be like if we had people who were one hundred and eighty right now. And they’re saying, you know what, I saw both World Wars and some other ones in the late eighteen hundreds.

And let me tell you what happened in the current direction we’re going right now in the US. Looks an awful lot like something I saw in nineteen thirties. And they’re going to tell you the patterns because they were around enough to see them.

We need a lot more people who are older, who are wiser and full of energy and willing to stand up and help because they want to help. But right now they can’t even take care of themselves because we fed them garbage for forty years. And we just have to fix this because this is how we’re going to fix the environment that we live in. Is living a long time and being wise.

Darren: Yeah, yeah. One hundred percent. I think this is it kind of sounds a bit flies in the face of adversity that we can actually biologically get younger as we get older.

But you only have to put some by some of the stuff that we’ve already talked about into practice to actually feel the benefits of that and to realize that that is actually the case. But what’s it what do you actually think, though, is going to be the catalyst for people regularly living over one hundred years old?

Dave: one of the things that’s going to be the catalyst is the pandemic. Right.

When the pandemic first came out, I predicted a sixty five times reduction in death rate because all of the other pandemics that have happened about every four years regularly, they always announce a big number. And two years later, those listening they owe the actual number was only like point of whatever. And right now it looks like that prediction was dead on.

But the amount of awareness on the fact, wait a minute, people with diabetes of any age just can die more easily, have other diseases, really.

But yes, it’s been that way for all of human history. When you have what’s called comorbidities. Morbidity, that’s death. Right? Well, that’s something that doctors talk about. I’m married to a doctor who ran an E.R. in Stockholm.

And so I look at all of this and I go, wait a minute, maybe all of us are going to realize that some people are doing some things so they don’t have comorbidities. And by reducing those things, the first step to living one hundred eighty is not dying. So let’s get rid of what I call the four killers in my book. It’s cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes and Alzheimer’s.

And diabetes is a precursor to all of those. And diabetes is what happens when you suck at turning air and food in to electrons. So we’re going to fix our metabolisms because people. Now, if you’re going to smear hand sanitizer in your hands, newsflash, it’s not surface transmissible. You’re just doing that to make yourself feel better.

But if you’re willing to do that, maybe you’re willing to take your vitamin C and your vitamin D, which actually work or some of the herbs. Right. So this is something where people suddenly became aware of their mortality and is a great trigger for people to say, what else can I do? At the same time, we have not just me, an anti aging nonprofit group for twenty years.

And I know that top people in the field around the world, and many of them I’ve interviewed on my show for the first time in my life, they’re willing to stand up like David Sinclair from Harvard, who’s a friend, and they’ll say we can now reverse the biological age of a cell when a Harvard professor with tenure is willing to say something that is that insane throughout all of history, you know, that he actually believes it and he knows it and he’s proven it over and over because otherwise he’s put his career at risk.

There is no risk for him to say that because he has the data and it is real. And he is one of hundreds of doctors who have spent the last three decades cracking this problem. We didn’t have gene sequencing.

We didn’t have the Internet to let us collaborate like this. So we’re at this time where most of the people privately will tell me. We’re within a few years, maybe five years, where the advances that we are making will add more years to your life than the speed at which you age.

In other words, if you can live another five years in reasonably good health, the stuff that’s coming down the pipeline, things like stem cells that I write about, that I’ve done, things like gene therapies, all these other just a long laundry list of things as they come down, you’re going to find.

Wait a minute. I actually can get younger. I can at least hold the line. And at that point, that being one hundred, you will be one hundred and they’ll be going, wow, remember when people were old and they were one hundred? You could say, that’s crazy. Except get this, did you know already just in the last twenty five years, the definition of elder has shifted by 10 years.

Darren: I didn’t realize that.

Dave: That used to be that when you hit sixty five, you were considered an elder. Right. And this is both in the UK and the US. And what happened is people who are sixty five are saying, I’m not done. I am still feeling good, I’m working.

I don’t want to retire and stop treating me like I’m an invalid. I’m not. So scientists measured it. They used a device that looks like this. It’s called a Dinham ometer. It right. It measures the strength of your grip.

And it turns out that grip strength is one of the biggest and cheapest predictors of how old you are and how likely you are to die. And they found that suddenly around the world, people were sixty five have the grip strength of people who are fifty five from the previous generation. So now the definition of elder is legally shifted up by ten years. Snidey be seventy five to be older.

This happened in our lifetime, right. It’s going to continue. It’s already happening. We just don’t see it because we’re so programmed to look at the last 50 years where it’s been really slow, but it’s exponential and it’s coming up and up and up.

So I’m looking forward to hanging out with my wife and my kids and my great grandkids when I’m one hundred. And it’s going to happen unless a car hits me, in which case all bets are off.

Darren: Yeah, yeah. But I mean, when we’re talking about right now in terms of the advances in maintaining your health, it’s a very stark difference between the majority of society, isn’t it?

Whereas if we look at what’s going on in modern society with the bad foods, the processed foods, the takeaway and all that kind of stuff. So how long do you would you envisage that’s actually going to take before that starts to have that shift?

Is it now the pandemic, you think?

Dave: How long did it take for people in Africa to have one of these?

Yeah, maybe five, 10 years ago, they took a little bit more time that it turns out in the late 80s, the first cell phone networks were deployed and the only people who drove them had a Mercedes.

The whole trunk of the Mercedes where they called the boot was filled up with the electronics and these giant antennas and they hold them up on their head. And these bankers are driving and everyone’s like that jerk talk on his phone. Who does he think he is? And it’s twenty five pounds a minute to use it. And they don’t care because they’re billionaires.

Yeah, OK. It’s a dollar a month for cell phone service and remote Africa. And how many years in that take? It took about 40. Right. But everything is faster because we have the Internet now. Right.

And researchers can collaborate and we can share knowledge and we have better computing in all. So Moore’s Law is applying to things like this. So if it took 40 years for cell phones to penetrate to the very furthest corners of the earth, Alexander take for people to actually get access to stuff that works well.

It’s always going to be the wealthy, adventurous types who get the first of everything and it makes its way through society. That’s how it’s been since the creation of iron in the creation of fire. Probably so.

I’m predicting it’s really about 20 years and there will always be parts of the world where it’s less accessible, but the good news is that most of Europe has socialized health care, where in the US it’s actually profitable to make people sick where you live, it’s profitable to keep people well. And the government throughout Europe of the different governments actually negotiate to lower the price of drugs.

And the US, it’s illegal for the government to negotiate to lower drug prices. Isn’t that amazing? I wonder who set that one up anyway.

So it’s less corrupt over there. So what that means is the government going to say, I can give everyone a shot of these stem cells or I can spend one hundred thousand pounds on getting them new hips? Guess what’s going to happen as a way to lower health care costs? Everyone is going to get access to anti aging therapies because it’s better.

No government wants an aging society that is disabled and in the hospital at the time. Right. Because guess what? You guys are having less kids than you used to and your population of young people is falling. Same in the US, same in Japan.

So there are only only thing we can do is make ourselves younger. We are going to do it. It’s inevitable. We have to do it. We have the technology. We have the economic incentive. It’s going to happen. It’s not going be 40 years yet.

Darren: We did. I agree with that. But what I will say is this for me is the shift in people’s mindset, because although you say in the UK we have this health system whereby, you know, it’s not for profit, it’s definitely, definitely funded by pharmaceuticals.

Dave: It’s isn’t Canada to where I live. It’s still better, though. There’s someone there who actually it’s their job to lower costs in the US. There’s no one in the government whose job it is to do that.

Darren: True. So for me, it’s about this shift as an individual, to use this analogy over time, I would say that people take more care of their cars maintenance wise than they do the health.

So we’re in this society whereby it’s about fixing, not about prevention and not about money. And I believe that needs to be a massive shift in that mindset. So it’s all very well. We’re talking about the technology and the ability and the collaboration that’s all there.

Right. It’s it’s the other side of it, the social element of the people’s mindsets and understandings that kind of shift that I think needs to happen. So you obviously think that that can happen in 40 years?

Dave: Oh, very easily. It’s already happened. Talk to anyone who’s twenty five. How old are you?

Darren: Forty seven.

Dave: There you go. Talk to someone 20 years younger than you. I am blown away at the number of people in their 20s who are asking questions about personal development and about health, where the percentage is way higher.

The reason is exactly what we’re doing right now. Podcasts and I’ll help. But more interestingly, we’re on opposite sides of the ocean. When you were 11, how many dollars a minute would a phone call between us have cost?

Yeah, about a four million dollar, too. I know what it would have been in pounds, but I mean, if you are doing a long distance call, you had to like, hey, mom, can I can I talk to someone? You have five minutes. And it was very expensive.

Ok, we’re doing video for Frame HD video with stereo. Yeah. For free. OK, that’s how cool the world is right now. And when people who are younger, they grew up with this. So you can easily say, oh, there’s that one weird guy who goes to the pub who just lost five stone.

But I think he’s weird and maybe he has a tumor, so I’m just going to ignore it. But when you look online and you see tens of thousands of people all over the world saying, I drink my coffee, saying I skipped breakfast, everyone told me I would die, but I didn’t die and I feel better.

And I lost weight and I had to buy new pants and actually new trousers. And I’m getting I’m starting to be melting. And at least I didn’t say knickers, so I’m getting there anyway.

What ends up happening is we learn and we evolve faster as a species. And that’s what’s happening right now. So I have great hope because you cannot see tons of people like me who stood up and said, yes, I lost one hundred pounds.

I used to be fat. I still have stretch marks. I’ve been in Men’s Health magazine with my shirt off. Right. And as a fat computer, because that’s the least likely thing ever to happen. So if I could do it with my incredibly bad health background, it’s probably going to be easier for most people than it was for me.

And you can look at thousands and thousands of other people, people like you, and you’re sharing the information and young people are saying, OK, I’m screwed.

There’s all of these old people and they have all the money and all the houses and we can’t afford a house. And they’ve inflated the crap out of our other currencies. And now we have low wage jobs working for Internet giants and no hope.

And we think it sucks, but at least we can be healthy. Yeah, and they’re paying attention to it. And so what I’m actually incredibly hopeful that there’s a sea shift and it’s not going to take a generation to die because you and I and so many others are sharing it. And it’s going to happen quickly.

Darren: I think that that’s a very good point, not considered. I think you’re absolutely right that the Gen Z is they’re called and I mean, they are way more switched on to health care than what you can just wellness. Right?

They’re even going on holiday to won’t be and all that kind of stuff. So I think, you know, they might be brought up with the technology and the speed in which things move. And so they want things to move as quickly as they used to.

So, yeah, I think the adoption for them, it’s just natural. It’s us oldies that to all the people that that take a little bit longer to to to be convinced than to actually make that shift.

Dave: Even then, you’re on Facebook. Your mom, if she’s still around, is probably on Facebook. Right. Because even more young people hang out anymore. But do you remember when you first got a Facebook account, how amazing it was?

Yeah, OK. Our generation also has access to amazing knowledge. The books that I write have at least five hundred and usually a thousand plus references on them. If I had to write these in my 20s, I would be at a card catalog with microfiche torturing myself for five to 10 years to read a book.

And by the time I did it, the research would actually be outdated. But I wouldn’t find out for another ten years before it reached there. So now I have this amazing ability to pull together. Sometimes things that are published three months before I submit my manuscript, I can put them in there. And so the speed of human progress has been accelerated.

And if you grew up like that, it’s so different because what you’re seeing is an exponential increase where people our age and the generation that’s older than us are mostly interconnected.

So even then, your parents can see wait, my friends who live on the other side of the country or the world who I’ve known for a long time, they just started doing something and all of a sudden, wait, you mean you guys have an active bedroom life, but we don’t have that and adults talk about that stuff. Right. And like we don’t. What did you do? And it wasn’t a drug. It was something else. Right.

Or hey, you look really healthy, Betsy. How did you do that? And these conversations can happen because we’re looking at each other right now, and you couldn’t look at each other ten years ago, like it’s happening so fast, but we don’t see it that way.

Darren: Yeah, we take it for granted that way. So, yeah, it’s a good point. So before we kind of finish today, what would you say to five key things that people could take away from this to really start to make that shift and optimize where they’re at from a health perspective?

Dave: Well, I would suggest start with your sleep. The reason is you’re going to do it anyway. You might as well do a better job of it. And I highly recommend sleep monitoring device. I have a ring called an aura ring.

There’s many other ways to do it. And if not, there’s apps that are free, are very affordable on your phone that look at how much you basically roll around and snore and they’ll tell you how to do it. Just did you do better tonight than last night to eating late?

Did going to bed and I have a ton written about sleep hacking on Dave aspreyDotcom. That’ll teach you how to do that if you want. There’s even a sleep challenge.

You also.

And you can join the sleep challenge if you like, it’s also on the webpage there. I’d also like to go to the virtual conference that’s coming up here. If you go to biohacking conference. Com. I’ve got a whole day of incredible content on how to do exactly what we’re talking about.

That’s biohacking conference dot com. So the other things that you can do, so sleep is number one. Number two is skip breakfast and you can do it with nothing you can do with black coffee.

You do not put sugar or milk in that coffee. And if you want to put butter and oil and make it bulletproof, you can and you’re still fasting if you do that. And there’s a whole bunch of science behind that. That’s in the new book.

The new book is Fast This Way, Fast This Way, Dot com.

You can preorder right now. So intermittent fasting, getting better sleep would be two of the things.

The next thing you’re going to do is you’re going to realize that you hate to exercise because only eight percent of people actually exercise the way the government tells them to because the government recommendations are dumb. What you actually have to do based on science is you have to move for 20 minutes a day.

You can do that. Moving doesn’t mean breathing hard and carrying weights. It just means going for a walk. That’s it. Walk for 20 minutes. You can talk to a friend on the phone. You can wear VR goggles on a treadmill. I don’t care.

Right. You can jump up down on a trampoline. 20 minutes. Not sweaty, not difficult. Do it well. Conversing OK, next.

Once a week, you have to do something really, really hard for 10 minutes you can do it, and that could be sprinting as fast as you can. I don’t care if you’re 70, sprint as fast as you can. It might be really slow or lift really heavy things until you can’t work with the trainer if you can get either of those things.

And if you don’t have that, you can do squats and push ups for 10 minutes and you want to do it for a minute or until you fail, then you lay down on the ground and pant for a minute and do it again. That’s it. Once a week, 10 minutes of pain.

That is it. And if that doesn’t work, call a friend on Skype or whatever service you like and aim the camera at you and you do it, then they do it. So get a buddy. But that’s all you have to do based on science.

By the way, I’m looking OK, look, I’m not The New York Times says I’m almost muscular. That’s what you want to be. You don’t need to have ripped abs and all that stuff unless you want to be an Instagram celebrity.

Yeah. At which point airbrushed them on or something. I have no idea. These guys do, but I do have abs. They just grew naturally on top of my stretchmarks. So that’s three things. But the other thing that I’m going to recommend you do that no one talks about is breathing has been a huge part of biohacking since the beginning when I put the term together and I created the community for it.

But there’s so many different types of breathing exercises and a lot of people don’t exercise every day. You might not meditate every day. A lot of people don’t. It’s OK. And a lot of people certainly don’t do breathing exercises every day. I did breathing exercises every day for five years. It’s really useful for me. I don’t do it every day, but what I do instead.

If you breathe through your nose instead of your mouth, when you wear a mask especially, but the rest of the day, you actually if you do it when you’re young, you get straighter teeth, you get less cavities, but you get more oxygen in the brain when you breathe through the nose.

So you could say during the day, I’m going to work to breathe through the nose. It’s a habit change.

But when you go to sleep at night, you can actually get tape, soft adhesive tape that’s designed to close your mouth. Yes. When I started taping my mouth at night, it improved my marriage.

Wow, that has nothing to do with oxygen in the brain, that’s just as you talked last night. But what it really does do is it stops snoring.

I only snore five minutes a night because actually it’s not a lot. But I fixed my sleep patterns and my jaw and all that. But what you can do is you put this lightweight tape on and your nose naturally will open up and it changes nitric oxide in the body.

Nitric oxide is also responsible for blood flow in other areas where you really want them, whether you’re a man or a woman and you wake up and you feel way better and your sleep quality goes through the roof.

So now I’m practicing my nasal breathing while I’m asleep. It’s a win. And yes, I look a little weird with a little bit of white tape on my lips. But there’s great science behind this. From James Nestor’s book, Breath and the Buteyko clinic, Patrick McCallan, they’ve both been on bulletproofed radio, just telling you breathe better. That’s four things.

The fifth thing is gratitude. And I talked about getting your physical biology in order and then getting your mind to work better if you really, really want to do very, very well every morning or every night or both.

If you want to double down, all you have to do is find three things that you’re grateful for. And I teach my kids this. We’ve done it since they were three years old every night when I took them in. And the reason you do this is that you cannot be in a state of fight or flight when you’re feeling gratitude.

It’s just a conscious off switch. There’s that automated system that makes you afraid of stuff and makes you, you know, sanitize your hands when there’s no reason to and all sorts of stuff like that. You can turn that stuff off by just finding a reason to be grateful.

So I’m grateful that covid-19 happened because it exposed a lot of idiotic decisions and how many decisions are not science based. And it also motivated people to start paying attention to their metabolic health in a way that nothing else ever would, even though, yeah, there’s a lot I don’t like about it, but I can practice gratitude towards even things like that. And I’m grateful.

I had really good roast beef for lunch and whatever else. It doesn’t matter how small it is, any gratitude, you just ponder it and feel the gratitude in your in your chest. Do that before bed. That will increase your odds of living a long time and it’ll certainly make it nicer to other people. So there’s your five things.

Darren: Yeah. I mean, they the breath has been massive game changer for me to do with a bit of grounding in the morning. And the gratitude one is an interesting one, but there’s something else too gratitude you practice as well. And I noticed this because I’ve now got my kids to do it. So what we do is we do three things we’re grateful for.

And the one thing that we failed on the following,

Dave: Oh, you do the advanced bullet proof way. Yeah. Tell me how you just like that. I love this. I’ve been doing it for years also. Yeah.

Darren: Yeah. But initially the kids were quite resistant to it, but now that I see quite like it and they always do the failure first before they do the three things they’re grateful for. But yeah, I mean do the gratitude every morning and I yeah it’s really resonated with that.

That is very, very important part of my day because. 

Dave: For your listeners it sounds it sounds means that to make your kids say, what did you fail at the definition of failure in that exercise is that a failure is something that you worked on, that you wanted, that you didn’t get and you celebrate the failure so that your kids stop being afraid of failure.

So if my kids say, oh, I didn’t fail out anything today, I go, oh, maybe tomorrow you can have a better day, because today nothing challenged you. Today was a boring day. Tomorrow, pick something big. Let’s go for it. I think it does sink in. I really do.

Darren: Yeah, it definitely does. And it’s something that they want to get better at. It could be a school. It could be anything else. But it is it’s important that they recognize that failure is not a stopping point. It’s not a bad thing. It’s a progression in life. Yeah. And so, yeah. Now I think that is I think that really five important things like, say, before we wrap up, is there anything that I didn’t ask you that you feel I should have asked?

Dave: I think you covered a lot of territory in the interview. Nice job. I would ask people go to Dave Asprey Dotcom uncensored and sign up for my email list, what’s happening. And I think you know about this.

What’s happening is that a lot of the things that I might put on my Web page or I might put on social media, you can’t do it anymore.

Yeah, the search engines will suddenly if you say certain things that are back on science, the search engines disappear. You see your website is still there, but no one ever sees it. And what they’re doing is illegal and unethical. And they will probably pay billions of dollars when the government’s ten years from now punish them for it.

In the meantime, I email stuff out so I can tell people about new episodes and I can say, here’s what I wanted to say that I’m not going to say anywhere else. Dave Asprey dotcom uncensored.

And if you’re not doing that, definitely you guys need to sign up for the list that goes with this show because content creators, podcast hosts, Health Influencer. Like us, we’re having a hard time telling you the truth and email is the way to do it, so sign up for both of our lists. And what’s the URL to sign up for your list?

Darren: I Fitter Healthier Dad Podcast come and you can just sign up on the homepage, just on the homepage.

Dave: So if you’re listening to this and you care about this kind of info, seriously, now’s the time. Email is most important because no one can take away your right to open an email, but they can take away you stumbling across things that you would have seen six months ago that you won’t see anymore.

Darren: Yeah, yeah. That’s becoming more and more. It sounds very, very cynical. And yeah, these things don’t happen, but it is clearly happening now more and more. So they really think you really appreciate you for coming on today. I really appreciate the interview. And so how can you mention your new book, which I wasn’t aware of and say when is it out, where’s the url for it and How Can We Connect with you. 

Dave: Comes out in January, but you can preorder it right now.

Or if you’d like to preorder books, usually from the same website and you can go to fast this way Dotcom. And this book teaches you how to feel no pain while you fast and how to experience the spiritual side and the stuff that’s happening in your emotions, in your psychology when you decide, oh, I’m going to not have cravings anymore, like how do you do that? I teach how to do it in the book.

This is what’s missing from the whole conversation around fasting, fasting. Don’t eat for a while there. I tell you how to fast, but no one ever does it. This is the book that solves that problem.

Darren: Yeah. Also. OK, well that’s been fantastic. And you can go to bulletproof dot com all the products on that. Forty years of Zen. True doc as well for the broken glasses. Is there anything I’ve missed.

Dave: You know, on the true dark dot com those glasses have made such a difference in my sleep and they don’t just block the light, there’s tons of blue blocking glasses out there or biomarker this whatever.

If you block blue during the day, all of the blue, you are going to get sick because you’ll break your timing system. So you have to block some of the blue, which is the stuff I do. But at night it’s more than blue. It’s four kinds of light. So True.com, those glasses have made such a difference in my sleep bigger than anything else.

Darren: Awesome. Well, thanks very much for coming on the show today. And yeah, I’ll look forward to Biohacking Conference next week.

Dave: I’ll see you there.

Darren: take care,

Dave: Bye

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