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Episode 47 – Home Fitness Equipments for Dads with Laurence White

Episode Highlights

00:00:14 Bit of Background on Laurence
00:01:15 Personal and business point of view on the current situation
00:05:22 Laurence’s innovative new product
00:09:50 Understanding more about Lawrence’s new innovative training product
00:12:12 Perks of Laurence’s new training product
00:14:09 Evolving home workouts
00:19:34 Strength and conditioning
00:29:02 Benefit of the recovery pump
00:34:58 Recommendations for home workouts and training
00:37:30 Handy gym
00:39:17 Maximized training time
00:48:08 An amazing takeaway from Laurence

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Welcome to the Fitter Healthier Dad Podcast, where you can learn how to improve your diet, lose fat and get fitter in a sustainable and fun way without spending hours in the gym. Here is your host. Darren Kirby.

Darren: Welcome back to the podcast, guys. This is the number one podcast for dads in their 40’s who want to improve their health and fitness. This is Episode 47. And joining me on today’s show is Laurence White from RP-X. Laurence is here to talk about home fitness equipment and recovery aids. Lawrence played professional rugby for the Bedford Blues in and in 2004 started his business with his groundbreaking inflatable ice bath. RP-X aims to provide solutions for performance, recovery, rehab and injury prevention.

Hi, Lawrence. Thanks very much for joining me on the podcast today. How are you?

Laurence : Yeah, very good. Thanks. Yeah. All Things Considered had a workout this morning. Yeah. Feeling good.

Darren: Good stuff. So obviously these crazy times are in. How much kind of impact has that had on you personally and with the business?

Laurence : Most businesses we’ve had an affect. We’re not one of the fortunate ones where it’s a booming time. Yeah, you never want to use the word booming. Yeah. It’s a time where, you know, our core business is elite sport and players and athletes directly and say with them not, you know, a lot of them not training or not. You know, trained from home. Yes. There’s demand for some products, but yet we have been hit significantly. But we’re trying to adapt like most businesses. And yeah, creatively, we look at other ways we can get some revenue streams and support existing customers.

Darren: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it’s obviously something that I think most people can even imagine would have happened prior to March, but it’s clearly those that kind of will do well out. These are the ones that are able to adapt. I think it’s important that, you know, you obviously recognize that and are putting things in place. So obviously with that kind of theme in mind, then, you know, being everyone’s kind of locked down and at home gyms, home workouts have just gone crazy online. I mean, the amount of, you know, actual physical gyms that are doing home workouts now are just crazy. So with the home gym kind of landscape, then what do you think people are moving towards? What kind of products are they starting to use at home? And how do you see that really changing as we go forward?

Laurence : Yeah. I mean, the biggest challenge for home workouts, you know, it’s a crowded space at the moment. There’s a lot of people doing things online, but really it’s the products that can actually replicate what people are used to doing in the gyms. So one of the key things is equipment, you know, and load. And they’re the biggest thing that, you know, yes, there are some products out there that can replicate some of the movements maybe or exercise they’re used to doing. 

But there’s very few products that can do maybe a total body workout, varying loads as well, from low, low to heavy load. So it’s really, you know, long term, I think people will exercise more at home than going to the gym. But yeah, it’s really what products I can take on to actually replicate a lot of the things I do in the gym and a wide range of loads as well. And the ones that can do that and get a similar response or effect for, say, strength gain or fitness gains that they’re looking for are the ones that will be a long term addition to someone’s activity workouts, because it’s all about habits. You want to get them into a habit. I don’t see, they see the results yet, which is a key thing to motivate them as well. 

Darren: Yeah. I think this is an important thing to kinda recognizing that if you were, you know, in it in a general sense from a, I guess, a normal gym setup, if you were to try and replicate that at home, you know, that’s going to cost tens of thousands to get all of the kit a normal commercial gym would have at home. Like you say, trying to replicate that in the home environment is very difficult. I mean, are we with the community we have in the products we do? 

We’re very much for, you know, using no equipment and using body weight, but that only works to a certain point. You know, there obviously is scientific research and studies to show that, you know, that kind of weight bearing exercise is very beneficial to bone density. And mitochondria, and the rest of it. So, you know, I know you work with some really cool and neat products which kind of, I guess. Kind of collapse, if you like, some of the commercial elements into these products. Can you talk to us a little bit about the products that you do, You and I have been talking about one fairly recently that’s come to market.

Laurence : Yeah, one of the products we do is the Be Strong product, which is blood flow restriction, training tool. And the better feeling that is that you have, it reduces the blood flow that’s going to your muscles. So you know, you’re increasing the muscles, demand for oxygen. But with a decreased amount of blood. So what’s happening is you induce fatigue quicker than normal. I’ll be using very light loads or bodyweight exercises. And the benefit of that is you get a similar strength gain to traditional strength training of using heavy weights. But you’re using our hormonal response rather than sort of overload training, you know, breaking muscle down repairs and getting stronger. This uses a hormonal response and it’s its classes. You know, people’s classes are biohack where you’re tricking the body and thinking there’s muscle damage because of this restriction of blood flow. And the body releases growth hormones out of the body, hormones into the bloodstream. 

So you get a systemic effect, but you get very little damage to the muscles, the tool or the muscle cells, muscle fibers. And what that does means you can actually train the next day and the next day and the next day with, you know, you don’t get the same DOMS effect as traditionally very heavy load training. And yeah, that is a great example of how people can still get some strength gains where they may not have the resources or, you know, the equipment at home to do heavy load training. But this gives them that same strength response using light loads or like I said, body weight exercises.

Darren: Yeah. And so when you’re using the be strong bands, then what does that mean? You have to do different workouts or you would do perhaps the same HIIT workout as you would do normally or, you know, kind of other strength exercises in the gym. It just means that it puts extra light on the muscle?

Laurence : Exactly. You can do most of your traditional exercises that you would normally during like a HIIT workout. So, for example, the way I train would be strong as I put the arm belts on up to pressure, I put the leg belts on up to pressure at the top of the limb. And then I do a total body workout, like you said, a HIIT workout where I would do. There’s two ways you can do it. You can do 30 seconds, upper body exercise, say bicep curl, 30 second lower body exercise, maybe squat jumps, and then you do three sets of those. So you’re super setting those. And that is the most efficient way of working out with being strong. And the idea or what happens is you recruit more muscle fibers as well. So if you think about the first set, your bicep curl is a slow twitch muscle fiber exercise. 

So the first set your Fatigue knows, slow twitch muscle fibers, the second set, you’re having to recruit more muscle fibers, maybe type 2-A to you than the third set, even more of the type 2-B muscle fibers.So you’re actually recruiting more muscle fibers because you’re fatigue in the most fibers quicker. And again, these are very light loads. So bicep curls, you can actually do it without any weights, just clenching your fist and during the bicep curl. So that’s that’s just a prime example of how you can do X either without any weights at all. 

Press ups are another great one with strong belts and many things like lunges, squat jumps, even high knees running on spot. You got really good muscle burn, you know, induced fatigue. And, you know, the maximum time you really should wear the belts is twenty minutes. So literally, most workouts, if you’re doing the super set, you can do a workout in 10 to 12 minutes. So it’s you got a good toe body workout, but you’re actually reducing your training time because you use, you know, bringing on fatigue quicker. Yeah, the benefit of that is you could do it every day because you’re not having that same heavy load of, you know, maybe Max, you know, three three rep max squats, for example, where you’re getting a massive, massive load on your muscles. So, yeah, so.

Darren: So in terms of the recovery element then , as you touch on that. See, what you’re saying is that even though it invokes a whole minor response as if you were using the physical ways, the actual recovery time on the muscle in the muscle fibers is less in these B strong bands?

Laurence : That’s correct, because, you know, the physics behind it is you’re not. If you think about it, maybe you do a bicep curl, for example, you’d normally do maybe 15, 18 cages during the bicep curl. Normally you’re reducing that down to about 20 percent, 20, 30 percent. So you may be doing a three or four k.g. And at that level, you can only do maybe three sets of 30, 30 reps or whatever. So you’re not put in the same low through the muscle, but you are inducing fatigue, if not more, than you would do with the heavy, heavier weights. And it’s doing it by way of restricting blood, arterial flow, but you’re occluding to finish your term. So what’s that doing you’re just not getting the same fuel to the muscle and you’re not getting rid of the waste and the lactic acid and you just get it induces fatigue a lot quicker. It’s a muscle burn you get from an exercise that you know, which is the driver or the main aim of exercise. And you just get out very quick. And it’s very intense fatigue. Yeah. And it’s addictive. It’s an addictive way of training because you’re doing it. You’re getting that fatigue quicker. Yes. 

There’s some great applications for them for the belt because you couldn’t let you do any exercise. It doesn’t inhibit your for any functional movement. So you can swim in them. You can run them, row in them so you can do sort of interval training. I like training with it. I’ve got a few niggles and, you know, running a 10 K run, for example, the next day my kellie’s my calves are sore, right. Whereas I can actually wear the blood flow restriction belts and do some runs, you know, three quarter pace, jog, walk, do that for maybe two or three K of that. And you know, you’re getting a really, really good workout and anaerobic anaerobic workout as well as you know, you’ll get the fatigue that you need.

Darren: So, yeah, I mean, they sound a great product. I mean, I use them as well. And I can attest to what Lawrence is saying. You know, they are quite strange actually when you use them because of the fatigue level with it, that comes on relatively quickly. Like you say Laurence after, you know, not doing maybe as many sets or as many reps as you used to. Quite quickly, you get that muscle burn and you get that fatigue and any but then, you know, from an exertion perspective, you feel rather as you can work that hard, obviously, because like he’s saying, he’s restricting the arterial flow to the muscle, still invoking that same same level of fatigue, if not more, I guess, in some cases. So in terms of the actual bands themselves in Laurence , obviously, you know, we keep talking about home. You know, they’re quite small in terms of, you know, they come in a nice shape the rest of it.

Laurence : Yeah, exactly. You know, they are designed to be portable training, you know, pre covid. You know, I did a reasonable amount of travel to other countries and from work and, you know, staying in hotels, you know, and when I first took on the strong, that was my gut. You know, I took it everywhere I went. And just the workouts in the hotel room, you know, I do remember going to like the local aasta just to get some food and a five Kg water bottle. I use that as my bicep curls and things like that. I was just amazed at how little you know, you don’t need a lot of equipment or if at all. But, you know, you can just use what you’ve got available to get used to creating a load or training effect.

Darren: Yeah. Okay, so that was some of the other products that you’re looking at at the moment or you have your product suite that would suit kind of a home set up for people?

Laurence : Yeah, I mean, it’s this morning, for example, we’ve got we’ve talked about evolving our business. And one of the things we’ve done is set up an affiliate program where we do a workout on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday with our affiliates or physios or Essence’s or fitness personal trainers. And yet this morning we did a workout with one of our other products, which is active five, which supports a workout device and training app, but it coaches the user through low impact isometric based exercises. So, again, it’s using either your muscles, working against each other or working against a static object. So isometric training is the foundation of things like palazzos and yoga. 

That is a very effective way of training to increase strength and fitness gains. And yet of what you’re doing is putting load through the muscle, but you’re not putting movement through the joint. So the benefit is obviously if you people are injured or, you know, I’ve got certain issues around joints, they can still get a workout, but using isometric training. So it is highly effective but it is a good training aid for again, looking at that load. We talked about, you know, how do you replicate the load that you do in the gym without the equipment? And isometric training is a great way of doing it. And the way Active five do it is where the training app and what I do is the good thing about that. 

For example, for example, hammer curl is a great one where you could do it now with a clenched fist, hammer curl say right hand clenched fist, 90 degrees and place your left hand on top of it and then just literally try and flex your right arm upwards and restrict to your left hand. So, you know, people on the podcast now doing it’s a hard workout, just doing it now. And the benefit of the app is that you’re squashing the device between your right hand and the left hand and it feeds back to your mobile or tablet. How much pressure? So there’s two things that’s good about it. 

One is that you can measure your max force so it does a test before you do an exercise, which you don’t have to do every time. But before you can monitor your max strength. And then what happens then is you can do the exercises if you’re doing right. So the left side of an exercise is a 15 second workout. So you get it, but you follow the work arc on your screen, which the arc is in line with the pressure you’re producing and you have to try and follow the arc on the screen so it goes up and down. So it’s the role of the movement as well. Yes. 

So there’s a couple of things. All of that is one is that you’ve got an accuracy percentage, but also you see your max force and things like that. And it’s basically a great app training app because you buy into it, you know, your gamification is basically of exercise. And that’s the biggest thing with, you know, for example, the workout we did today, we actually used it to be strong as well. So we induce fatigue quicker. Plus we’ve got the active five. And those two worked really well together. So, for example, the hammer curl , we did five sets of 15 seconds. So we did the right hand, hammer curl, for 15 seconds. 

Then we rest for five to ten, then do the second set on the right side. So you did five sets in a row. And also that induced fatigue came on very quickly. And, you know, it’s good because every x every time you do the rap of the 15 seconds on the right hand side, you get a percentage accuracy of how you followed the graph, the. Yeah. And the good thing is that gamification we were having a bit of competition about on each round, you know, your percentage. So we will get in between 70 and 90, some guys. So basically just that they have competition. You’re against yourself, but then also against others as well. It gets quite a good workout.

Darren: Yeah. And I think for me that’s quite important. You know how gamification and community and stuff like that when you’re doing home workouts house because you know, when you’re in a gym environment, you have you got the environment there, which is conducive to kind of working out, obviously, that’s why you go there. But then you’ve got people there that you’ve seen you meet, you’ve got the community element. And I think sometimes that’s where, you know, people struggle when they need stuff from home because they don’t have that same environment and they don’t have the same community, music and the rest of it is key to working out. So I think having something like the Act of five is very valuable. And I think, like you said, is there also coupling that will be strong, you know, they are two great products which you can use in a home environment to still get that strength work out and your HIIT work out. But just on the active five lines that from what you see, how you described it there, that very much seems to me that’s more akin to kind of strength and conditioning. Is that correct or? 

Laurence : It’s strength and conditioning? But it does tone and, you know, it will help. You know, you’ll have more stability. You know that it can be used for a lot of yoga and Platte poses exercises as well. So, you know, the great thing about it is, you know, a couple of the sales guys that they’ve got and have been using it and testing it the last few weeks that, you know, they’ve got their wife using it and other members of the household using it. Yes. Because some of the games that you can download for more kids, for example, the shark. 

You have a shark and there’s fish and you move the shark up to it, you know, up and down to eat the fishes. So, you know, it’s gamification , but it gets better buy in and you get things like weekly stats, for example. So, yes, it is more the strength and conditioning. You’re not going to get a really cardiovascular workout from it. But what you can do is combine it with some hip workouts with the be strong so you can alternate between an active phase thing and then have a more cardio based exercise as well. So, you know, there’s different ways you can use it. Definitely. 

Darren: Yeah. And I don’t think that’s the other. That’s an important point as well. And that is having variety.I think, you know, if you stick to one type or method of training quite quickly, you can get quite bored. So, you know, having those two different products there and having the two different methods of training over the Be strong you can do to hit workouts and then you can couple with a be strong with the active five to do your strength and conditioning. And we can do some yoga. But I think that’s really important to keep people interested and to continue being consistent when they workout from home. So I think that they sound like two great products.

But in terms of what RP-X offers in terms of recovery, I know you do a lot of recovery product products as well. And, you know, as we know in science has proven, you know, recovery is as important as working out. So can you talk to us a little bit about, you know, products, recovery products that people can use at home?

Laurence : Yeah. Yeah, we’ve got. Yeah. So up next, we specialize in performance, recovery and rehab products. So, yeah, a key element of that is the recovery and. You know, a lot of our core products are around recovery, and it’s not just recovery. Some of the key recovery tools are actually great activation tools as well. So, you know, what we mean by activation is getting the body ready for activity and reducing the risk of injury or, you know, maximizing the warm up or maybe with the right activation tools it’s not to try and cut corners, but with the right activation tools. You can actually reduce the amount of time you need to necessarily warm up yet. For example, you know, a couple of the brands we use, one is theragun , which sees a therapy device. And there are some great protocols for activation. You know, it’s it’s. You know, if you compare it to a foam roll the foam roller has got its place. But you need to foam roll for 10, 15 minutes, probably to get a good or a reasonable effect. 

And there’s certain parts of the body that are very hard targets like a hamstring to get the right precision on how to activate the muscles. Whereas a theragun is very precise and it’s got some clear protocols for activation of 30 seconds. So you have 10 seconds at the origin of the muscle. So for your hamstring. Ten seconds on top of a muscle. Ten seconds at the bottom of the muscle insertion and then 10 seconds across the belly. And we do that just just as a demo. But we get the person to do a hamstring stretch, then do 30 seconds or one of the hamstring stretch hamstrings and then stretch again. And they can actually feel a huge difference in the range of motion. And actually, that’s how the muscle feels through that stretch. Yes. So, you know, that’s just one example of the activation. And you think about it. Foam roll roller for 15 minutes or theragun for three to five minutes on your lower, lower body. You’re gonna be, it’s gonna be more effective and you’d save time into activation.

And then we also have a recovery pump, which is a pneumatic compression device, which predominantly is used for recovery, which is a big boot, long boots that you put on the covers, your whole limb. And then it compresses the chamber, but distorts proximal from foot to hip.

And what that does is it mimics the body’s natural way of moving fluid. But rather than a mechanical response by people, when you run or walk active recovery, it actually uses compression to mimic active recovery. But in a passive state, so you’re not putting any demands on the body, but you’re getting the same benefits of increased blood flow. Venture turn and lymphatic uptake. So that and that. And again, the recovery pump can be used for activation. Again, for getting the limbs ready, get your body ready for that activity. So we recommend theragun and recovery pump as an activation tool, also obviously as a recovery tool that was talked about.

Darren: Yeah, yeah. I mean, again, you know, I’ve used a theragun, theragun is very good, actually. Like you said, particularly for hamstrings. And generally, you know, guys are running or doing a lot of running, the hamstring is always the area where you have a lot of tightness. And, you know, if you don’t have a flexible hamstring very quickly and easily get injured, say, you know, that’s you know. But you say the foam roller has its place, but it’s not as targeted as this theragun, because this theragun, you can try it has different ends to it as well. Say you can have it, you know, covering up a small surface area and so that you can really get into the hamstrings and, you know, help them either wake up or recover. I find it very good on the glutes as well. And also, you know, on the thighs. But with the recovery pump, from what you said Laurence. say, because of the pressure that’s being applied to the muscle when you’ve got the boots on, presumably, you know, from my latte perspective, that’s helping the blood flow through the muscle more to the remove the lactic acid and presumably that help will help with the laid onset muscle soreness will it?

Laurence : I’d have said. Yeah. I mean, the recovery pump is backed by science and is made by a medical manufacturer. And there’s two responses. One is the vascular system. It has an effect of increasing blood flow. But the lymphatic system is the key because, yeah, the lymphatic system doesn’t have the pump pump like the heart. So what it does rely on is a mechanical stimulus or mechanical, which is normally from walking or running. It activates the lymphatic pump.

But what we do is we have a compression, which is desalt proximal. But what we also do is have a gradient drop in pressure from the furthest chamber to the hip. So there’s a reduction in pressure as you move from your foot to your hip. And what that does is mimics the body’s natural way of moving curves from Ariff high to low pressure, but more importantly from the lymphatic system is the lymphatic system is like a sponge. So if you think about you, what we do is we squeeze that sponge and we’re moving fluid. But then what the recovery pump has is a very quick release of pressure. 

So if you imagine that sponge being squeezed and then released, what happens is that on the full release of pressure, the sponge has maximum uptake of fluid. I mean, you squeeze out the sponge again, it moves that fluid. So what the recovery pump does differently to a lot of the competitors out there is it has a lot of cycles. So our cycle times are very short. That means we get more flushes in a treatment time. But we also have a full, complete release of pressure. So we’re squeezing that sponge release squeeze sponge release. So that means we’re moving the maximum amount of fluid in the emphatic system, which is the key part of the therapy, really, because like you said, about the waist. Yep. The removal of all the waste and all the cellular fluid that you want to get rid of and lactic acid and things like that. So all the waste from the exercise.

Darren: Yeah. And so with the recovery pumping in general, I would imagine he’s got like a program cycle. How long does it take to go through the kind of recovery cycle to sit there with?

Laurence : Yeah, I mean the benefit, the recovery, the cycle times around about 45 seconds to a minute, depending on the pressure. So, you know, anything over 10 cycles, you’re going to get a good effect. Obviously, the longer you have it on, it’s not like ice where, you know, there’s a window of, you know, if you go over a certain time, five, 10, 15 minutes can have a detrimental effect with the recovery pump. You know, you can have it on watching it program at night, on the couch, an hour, two hours. The key thing is as long as you keep hydrated. Yes. And the key thing with any pneumatic compression devices is the pressure. Now, people have a perception of, you know, the higher the pressure, the better the effect. It’s actually not the case in most research points. So 50 to 60, 50 to 70 millimeters of mercury is the right pressure.

The vascular system, especially capillaries, are very sensitive to pressure. And what you don’t want to do is the higher the pressure, you’re actually going to just restrict blood flow and you’re not going to get the benefits of the whole.

The aim of the therapy and a lot of people go too high on the pressure settings also does go up 200 millimeters mercury just to have a range of 20 to 100. But there’s a lot of systems out there that got 200 million this mercury and that they’re just missing the whole point of the therapy where all you’re doing is extending the cycle time. If you think every chamber just got 200 military mercury, which takes a long time. So the legs are under pressure for a long time. But also the key part of it is the release of pressure. If you’ve got up to 200, you know, you’ve got a 15, 20 second gap between the next cycle starting. The pressure is not going to drop down to zero. It just won’t have enough time. Your legs under pressure the whole time. And a very high pressure recovery pump has quick cycle time, complete full release. So you’re getting maximum uptake fluid that has a sponge effect. Squeeze sponge release. But also that more flushes, increased blood flow.

Darren: So, yeah. Yeah. And that’s the other thing I want to highlight as well with a B strong. So that the bands there’s a lot of bands on the market which are you know, you blowfly restricted protocol but with a B strong is that you are able to control the pressure. So you have like you would have when your blood pressure is taken, the doctor, you have this little pump, the pumps, the bands up. So I think that’s the key thing to point out about Be Strong is that, like you just said, Laurence , it’s very easy to put general blood  flow restriction bands on the doom as tight as you can, but that obviously is restricting blood flow to the muscle. And we never want to do that . We cut off blood flow to the muscle and we never want to do that . You want to have the right amount of pressure for the right amount of effect. And I think for me, that’s the biggest plus point about being strong among all the other products that are out there on the market as well.

Laurence : Yeah, 100 percent. I mean, the B song is a great safety video on the B string because obviously you get a lot of the wraps that you just tie around your arm. Yep. And there’s a high chance you will include the muscle and potential nerve damage and all the others will be strong. You know, what we say is you’ve got a wide therapeutic window. And what we mean by that is, for example, the red arm belts that we use, the prescribed pressure for that or the guidelines are 200, 200. 50 millimeters of mercury. Now, that is a safe pressure. But if you double that, for example, we know, we don’t advocate that at all. 

But we’ve got a video showing someone with a red belt with ultrasound. Doppler showing still up double the prescribed pressure still showing arterial flow. So what I mean is that, you know. You know, we give you a guide pressure to use. You know, even if you’re 25 millimeter mercury out from that, you’re still going to be in a safe range. You know, it just means that where you can safely use our products and you get a good training effect. And the good thing about it, the more you use it, you get used to the way you set it up, the correct pressure range that you’re comfortable with. And it’s repeatable. And that’s the biggest thing with any of these training things, is that it’s repeatable. If you just get strapped that you’re tying round, it’s going to be different every time. And yes, if there’s a high chance that you’re going to cause some damage.

Darren: Yeah, definitely. And when you are at home and you’re not in a gym environment, you know, when you’re in a gym environment, you have people who sometimes are looking at how using the equipment may be correct and you can use an incorrectly either with your form or weight equipment. You don’t have that benefit at home. So it’s important that, you know, you select used products which kind of almost have a little bit of failsafe in them. But do you know, something where you can be sure that you’re using it correctly?

So we’ve always spoken about the equipment from a HIIT workout perspective, from a strength and conditioning perspective. And then we’ve spoken about a couple of products which are for recovery and also activation. But if there’s a few people listening to this Laurence , which are already quite advanced in terms of their fitness and recovery from home. What kind of products, other products are you looking out for or are the products that you could you could recommend?

Laurence : Yeah, I mean, if people are advanced trainer or, you know, you know, are quite confident, building their own programs, things like the the the obvious, the the options are endless with both the be strong and the active five.

It just needs not their imagination. It’s just they could see they will be able to see how they could add that into what they are doing. It, for example, can be used. So you do a traditional strength training and then what you can do is just finish with the be strong on so you can actually just put it on as a finisher to get our hormonal response. So you got the traditional strength training that you’re doing, but then you can just add it onto the end of the session. So, yes, you’re going to get our hormonal response.

So could you know, you finish with if you don’t bench chest, for example, you might want to just finish with some press ups using it with big, strong belts on. So there are different ways you can use it. Okay. So, yeah, I mean that both products and most of our products are, you know, for the home user, but they’re from elite sport. Majority of the products, as you know, started in elite sport. And if you enter down. So yeah, we’ve got in terms of product range, we have got some other products that are higher cost value. You know, some people do have them in their home gyms like a car, cryotherapy chambers, hydrotherapy pools. But it’s not obscene, the price bracket for everyone. We do have some new products that will be coming in July, which is the handy gym, which is a centric and concentric trainer. So it’s a pulley system that works your body concentrically, but also a central eccentrically, which is a very efficient way of training because yet it’s not traditional. It’s muscle work in the muscle, you know, throughout the whole range. And yeah, it’s one efficient way of training, but it’s also a lot of sport that uses this type of training to reduce the risk of injury or and strengthen muscle throughout the whole range.

Darren: Ok, say so in terms of exactly how that works, so we can kind of visualize it. Exactly how does it how does that work?

Laurence : Yeah, it’s a small handheld device with two disks on each side of the device. And these disks weigh between 150 grams two.I think the higher the highest weight is around 250, three underground near each side, which is very light load. 

However, there’s a gear system internally that multiplies that up 180 times. And when you pull those, you can change the length of the cord and also you can double it up to double the force again as well. And basically, you pull the handle whatever attachment you’ve attached to it and wherever you fix it to, for example, you can just do bicep curls. If you’re standing on the border, it’s applied to and basically you work, you pull the cable up and then the cable will pull back once it’s hit the end of the range. 

So you’re working the muscle the whole way. If you think of a cable pull, you pull it up as fast as possible and then you get gravity that pulls the weight back down. And then it you know, it’s a very jolty exercise, not a fluid movement. But this uses inertia, you know, inertia training, basically. And, yeah, it just works if you think about it working the muscle when you’re extending I’m sorry, flexing and then extending that joint. Yeah. And yeah, I got my demo unit a few weeks ago and yeah. It’s again it’s, it’s not a bio hack but again it’s reducing the training time you need to get a very good stimulus.

Darren: Yeah. I think that’s, that’s important though because you know, we are all struggling. Time is one of our, you know, finite resources that we will have. And, you know, if you are able to train effectively and in less time but get equal or if not better results, you know, that’s all to be for the good. Because I think if, you know, if we’re all honest, none of us really want to spend hours in the gym when we’ve got families and careers and the rest of it. So anywhere where you can safely and securely still work out and you’ve got, you know, if not get better or equivalent results, then, you know, that’s got to be the way forward. And I know of interest to people.

Laurence : Yeah. I mean, not because my background is professional sport, but I enjoy training what I do when I’ve got time to do it. But I’ve got limited time. So when I do train I want to almost it’s not about cutting corners, but I want to have that muscle fatigue. Yeah. I want to have that feeling of thought. Done a hard workout. Yeah. And you know, ordinarily it might be a 45 minute an hour workout that you need to do to get that result. Yeah. But you know, the tools I use now mean I can do it in 15, 20 minutes, 30 minutes on top.

Darren: Yeah. And I think the other thing is, you know, when you are able to kind of minimize your time, you’re going to be more inclined to be consistent with it as well. And I think, you know, that’s why hit training has had such a positive uptake, because people like you say people can do and get the same effects. But, in a short period of time, and we would all love to be able to have, you know, the time perhaps to to kind of leisurely spend an hour in the gym and and work on what we wanted to work on.

But the cold, harsh reality of it is, I mean, even in these locked down times. Right. Which, you know, time is finite and particularly if you’ve got young children, you know, often people will not do a workout just because they know they’ve either got to travel 20 minutes to the gym to an hour in the gym, you know, and come home. If you’ve got a device at home, you can maybe spend 20 minutes doing that workout on. You’re going to be more inclined to actually stick to it and be consistent in your training.

Laurence : Yeah, and I think the second part of that is, you know, your over that. But that is because people, to be motivated, need to see the results as well. So it’s you know, the Act five is a great example that actually shows you that some actual data showing your max force or how much load you’ve lifted that we can, you know, got some really good stats with it. But yeah, you know, me personally, I we’ve been, as I said, with our affiliates and. He’s been doing a work out. Monday, Wednesday, Friday, two, three workouts. For the last pretty six, seven weeks. 

And I can tell how I’ve developed my, my strength developed and my core. It is just through using strong training. And we’ve integrated active five now. And, you know, it’s I can 100 percent see the difference in the progression and strength gains I’m getting. And you know, prior to that, I was a member of a gym that I didn’t probably frequent enough. But obviously we’ve got quite a good routine now doing at home. I’m not saying I wouldn’t go back to the gym. Of course I will. But because I like to interact with people, whether we’ll be able to do that starts when gyms reopen. But I certainly will be doing more workouts at home. And I’ve seen the office with the team things.

Darren: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, no, I completely agree with that. I think, you know, I always use the analogy that we live in an Amazon economy. Right. So, you know, we want to click today and we want the results tomorrow. So none of us are, I guess. Well, not everybody’s that patient to wait six months or a year before they start seeing results. So I think it is very important, like you say, for people to be able to put the time and effort in, but actually seem like they’re getting results in the end. It just sounds like, you know, with the products and equipment that you have, it hasn’t been a lot of science and technology that’s gone into the development of the products, which means, you know, it is almost like the Holy Grail, isn’t it. You can put less time in, get the same results or if not better results. So that’s got to be, you know, advantageous to people.

Laurence : Yeah. You know, the way as I said, the beginning, the podcast, my all background and core market is elite sport and athletes. And when we look at new technology, there’s some key things that we look at. One is, is it backed by science? You know, is there the research to back up the use of it or the application of it? The second thing is, you know, you have the best product in the world, but will it practically be implemented into a team environment or for athletes? And then the third one is, will athletes buy into it? You know, long term, will they actually, you know. Is it a fad that they will use one week, then the following week they will think, well, it didn’t help me. Why? Why bother? Yeah. So that are three things we look at. And really they’re the same three things that we transfer to the End-user, you know, the, the, the home home user of the equipment, you know, is it backed by science that that’s ultimately what it is. Will it actually be implemented and rather than actually buying is more to do with, you know, will they take it on and others into their work out longer? You know, and, you know, we it’s good synergy between, you know, how we look at it for the elite market. But again, how that product will be to the end user is the same thing. It’s the same pathway, really, of how we select our technology. What do we look for?

Darren: Yeah. So actually on that then in the technology select and what you look for, what kind of new products do you see coming down the line over the next six months, a year. Which, which, which you’re looking at.

Laurence : Yeah. I mean the, the, the.

You know, in a lease for, again, you know, that’s what . they always think about this one percent gained in different things, you know, Technologies. But there’s just such a you know, the gains people can get from recovery or activation recovery, the gains people can get from nutrition and sleep. These are more than one percent. If they do them right. Yeah. And that they’re the areas that can get the biggest gains. The million in elite sport. And I say these boys, the end users as people at home that want to get fitter, you know. Yes. They can work out and there’s lots of different workouts they can do in different products and different things and put personal trainers. But if they’re getting their recovery right and their nutrition right and their sleep right, it’s amazing. Those three things. You know, if they can optimize those, they will have the biggest effect on them. So we’re looking at things around that we see. Look at recovery tools. There’s the sleep side of it. So we are looking at some technology around sleep. And then I’ll see nutrition is quite a crowded space as well. But we’re looking at some ways we can potentially look at some innovative supplements and tools around that as well. Yeah, yeah.

Darren: I think I think you’re right. I think. And, you know, when you’re looking at I kind of use the term wellness now because, you know, when you start to look at, you know, specifically sleep and then, you know, stress and recovery, you know, they those are elements , which I don’t think have been tapped enough up until now, but are starting to be considered a lot more when we live in a health and fitness routine now. And so, yeah, that’s gonna be kind of an interesting landscape. So we’ll keep an eye. Keep an eye on that as to what products you’re potentially going to bring to market. So before we wrap up there, Laurence, is there anything that I didn’t ask you which you feel would benefit the listeners?

Laurence : Yeah. I mean, it’s one topic. You know, it’s close to everyone’s heart. I think it is in the press a lot is mental health. And, you know, I’m not an advocate of psychology. I’m not at all. And I know there are medical conditions that are based on chemical imbalances and, you know, that require some sort of medication or some psychotherapy. But, you know, for me, you know, some things that the general population, they’re saying there’s an increase in mental health.

If people do exercise more, if people eat right, eat a more healthy, more balanced diet, they sleep better. You know, a lot of the mental health issues would be addressed. I know I’m not simplifying it, but not a lot of things that, you know, I personally, you know, generally have good mental health. But I know sometimes when I’m down, it’s, you know, going for a run or doing some exercise is just amazing. You think, what? Why haven’t I done this before? You know, why is it taking me a week to do any go for a run or, you know. 

And, you know, when I maybe don’t eat correctly and I fall, you know, eat some bad food or whichever one means they’ll treat. But, you know, I feel so much better. I’ve got a good balanced diet. And, you know, have a good night’s sleep. I do have a two year old and a five year old. So sleep is something I don’t fully control outside. But to get an early night, you know, I think it’s it’s area of everyone’s lives where they can maybe address certain things. And I’ve got some good friends, personal trainers and so changing lifestyle.

And they always say that it’s difficult to change everything in one go. But you always try and change one thing every couple of weeks. Yeah. So it becomes a habit. And, you know, suddenly the exercise that we’ve been doing as a group on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday, that’s that’s a habit now. It’s great because we’re engaging with each other. The sales team and the affiliates. But we’re you know, we’ve got a habit now. So the next thing is, you know, you can add a nutritional habit where you do X, Y and Z or a sleep habit that, you know, you try and get to bed before 10:00, at least three nights a week, something like that, that you can easily do something that has a good effect. And then it’s part of a habit that you take on. So, yeah, definitely.

Darren: I definitely echo what you just said, I think. And, you know, that’s the unintended benefits of following a kind of a fitness protocol. Healthy eating or rest of it is the positive impacts it has on other areas in your life and on to your mental health. It’s Mental Health Week. We’ve called this this week. So, yeah, I think that’s some yeah, an important point that you make there. And one which is overlooked. So, Lawrence, how can people connect with you? How can they and what are your kind of social platforms and Web sites and everything else?

Laurence : Yeah. So people can go to our website. RP-X.com All social platforms are RP-Xteam . And yes, they can go to websites. Reach out by email. Give us a call. Yeah. We can share more information on our products.

Darren: Awesome. It’s been great talking to you today, Laurence. And thanks very much for your time. And I look forward to catching up with you again soon.

Laurence : Thanks Darren.

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