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Episode 66 – Healthy Water For Dads With Mark Kent From Osmio Water


Episode Highlights

00:00:48 Introductions
00:02:49 Guest Background
00:04:38 In-depth on Processing Water
00:12:00 Filtering Water
00:16:16 Impact of the Quality of Water
00:21:43 Negative Effects of Consuming  Non-Purified Water
00:27:20 What’s Being Done to Raise Awareness about Water Treatment
00:30:39 Is Bottled Water Actually Good?
00:37:31 Levels of Osmio Products
00:50:10 Recommending Osmio for Everyone
00:54:01 The Major Issue
00:55:15 Things That Can Benefit The Listeners
01:00:46 Connect With Osmio Water on Their Website





Welcome to the Fitter Healthier Dad Podcast, where you can learn how to improve your diet, lose fat and get fitter in a sustainable and fun way without spending hours in the gym here is your host Darren Kirby.

Darren: Welcome back to the podcast, guys. This is the number one podcast for dads in their 40s who want to improve their health and fitness. This is Episode 66. And in today’s episode, we’re going to be talking to Mark Kent from Osmio Water about the importance of the quality of the water we drink. Mark is the founder of Osmio Water and he’s on a mission to improve the health of people around the world by providing water filters which clean up the tap water of all of its contaminants and thus leaving us with the lower risk of disease.

Darren: Hi, Mark. Thanks very much for joining me on the podcast today. How are you? 

Mark: Doing Well, thanks! doing well, How are you doing?

Darren: Yes, very well, thanks. And how’s it been for you during these turbulent times?

Mark: A really interesting. We’re just focused on work and carrying on what we’re doing. We’re here to solve people’s water problems and still been the same throughout the whole lockdown and stuff like that. So, in fact, a lot of people are looking at that more because of the issues now where a lot of people were buying bottled water. Not anymore. Right. They’ve discovered better ways to do things, you know.

Darren: Yes. It’s interesting. I think, you know, the pandemic is the pandemic. And I’ve talked about it quite a lot on various podcasts.

But I think , I think, you know, with every kind of challenging situation or environment, there’s always kind of a good to come out of it. And I think. What I’ve seen personally is people are paying far more attention to their health and they’re not just, you know, when I say health, they’re not just kind of using the generic term. They’re actually digging into specifics.

And and obviously, as you said, you know, water, whilst it might be just a general subject, actually, and is quite an important topic for a couple of big reasons. One is obviously the environment with plastic and everything else that’s going on with carrying water.

And the other thing is, you know, overall health with regards to hydration and water and so on, might sound a bit of a I guess for some people listening to this, it might sound a little bit. Why are you talking about water? Well, because it is a simple thing that in the Western world, at least, we take for granted for. But it has quite a really big part to play in everyday life. So. So, yeah, now, it’s interesting. I’m really excited to get into the detail about it today.

So for people that probably haven’t come across you and Osmio Water, can you give us a bit of background on how the company came into to be created, why it’s been created a little bit back in your background as well?

Mark: Yeah, okay. Well, the company has been around for 12 years and it’s started to solve water problems. So with regard to everyday, everyday life, how we use water, at the time when we started the company, there was not a lot of that stuff out there that we ourselves could choose for ourselves. So if at the time there was a market full of jug filters in supermarkets and so on, as well as things you could buy online and.

Yeah, and so originally I started out many years before that looking for something for myself. Right. And then I wanted to get something that was fully certified and tested properly because I’m aware of the trade with China and there’s a lot of there’s a lot of manufacturers of water filter equipment that don’t serve their own domestic market. That’s the international market. Yeah. And those products were generally bad quality. So. So you had some of that going on and that was it.

Really, there wasn’t anything but good quality that I wanted for myself.

Darren: Right.

Mark: So we ended up finding that for an American manufacturer. And then we started doing that product and then we found deficiencies with that product.

So we decided to go to the drawing board and do our own molding and design.

Darren: Yeah.

Mark: And invent something that would actually solve some of the problems that we’ve encountered in the early days.

Darren: Yeah,

Mark: So we’ve done that and we’ve sort of made our own product for ourselves primarily. Number one it’s for it’s for us. Yeah. And then happens to work for other people because it’s what we want. I mean with water treatment systems you could, you could imagine a pyramid and you could rank water filters by simply by the level that they go to in terms of what level do they filter to how many micron.

Right. Sort of range of microns does this filter. Yeah. So at the top of the pyramid you’ve got you’ve got the pure water category, you’ve got distillation and reverse osmosis. That’s what they classify in the industry as pure water below 10 micro Semmens.

It’s used in laboratories and dental practices and autoclaves and, you know, in hospitals for kidney dialysis and lots of applications, school chemistry departments, everything like that. And also people drink that at home. Some distillers and others use reverse osmosis. And we focused on reverse osmosis as a much better way to be in the pure water category.

Darren: Okay,

Mark: Because with a distiller, you’re boiling water, it’s condensing and you’re taking out all the solids in the water. You’re taking out all the gases. Obviously, the ones below boiling point are condensing and going back in the water. And it just uses a lot of power and it’s really slow and a lot a mess in the Distiller. Right. So distillers have a purpose, but not for everyday drinking and cooking, which some people use it for, you know.

Yeah, so reverse osmosis is the other thing in the pure water category. That’s the only other thing in that category. So we focused on that side of things. And further down the pyramid, you’ve got different categories, then you’ve got nano and ultrafiltration, then you’ve got particle filtration.

And sort of as you go down, the lower filters start with basic sediment filters and they go to carbon filters and they and you’ve got different media types that absorb or ion exchange as in take something and give something back, you know, so you’ve got all these different types of media and things and systems quite often use a combination of.

That’s right, and you’ve got loads and loads of products on the market, so you could you could rank products like to what level they filter to or however you want. Right. But the key thing is with reverse osmosis, that’s a very tiny bit at the top of the pyramid. So we’ve focused on that because if you don’t use that, then by definition, you are not filtering out the things that are above that in Micron level. So on the pyramid, you could put different contaminants by micron size. You could put. 


Mark: Or You could put sars-cov-2 on there. You know, that’s the virus. So viruses are at the top of the pyramid. They’re tiny along with pesticides and small things are at the top and further down like bacteria is much larger than viruses. So they’re further down. So some filters can take bacteria, but not viruses out there.

So there’s other ways of dealing with those things, like ultraviolet and so on. You know, anyway, the way to look at water is like that, really. And the way to look at your own circumstances at home is in terms of putting the best thing in whatever application you’re doing. So that quite often means having a system in the kitchen for doing your pure water, for cooking and drinking.

Right. And then it also means putting something at the entry point of the house to deal with other problems, like with hot water or with other things that you want to like bacteria or viruses, you know, a generally chlorine chemicals or other disinfection chemicals in the water.

You deal with them at that point for the whole house because you’ve got yeah, you’ve got your touch points that you consume water in your bathroom, in your kitchen, you’ve got your garden tap and you’ve got your plumbing and heating system. And that’s what that’s what you’re doing with water in your house. So there are things that you can put in place.

So in my own house, I’ve got a triple filter system. At the entry point, I’ve got a non salt based poly phosphate dosing softener. Right. I’ve got hot water and Cairns. And then in the kitchen I’ve got a osmio Zero, which is the reverse osmosis machine. Yeah. And in my showers I’ve got vitamin C shower filters. So those are all the things I’m doing in the kitchen. I’ve also got our sodium hypochlorite generators because with those you just use tap water and salt and you make your own bleach.

And so that’s got rid of the need to buy any cleaning products, you know. And in fact, that’s another thing about health to do with cleaning products is that there is legislation that allows companies like making Flash and Domestos and things we spray on our surfaces. We Inhale , we touch you know, we put them down the drain, them back into the environment.

The companies that do these products don’t make sodium, but they sodium hypochlorite, which is made by water, salt and electrolysis is the main ingredient. But they perfumes and other chemicals.

Right. Okay, if they perfume the chemical, they’re allowed to not disclose what’s in that as it’s the trade secrets, their smell of Domestos quite often contains chemicals that should be paid to to dump. It’s a loophole and it’s and we end up buying it in supermarkets and spreading it on our surfaces and inhaling it.

And that’s where we get toxicity from. So if you just make your own sodium hypochlorite, you’ll get rid of your cleaning cupboard, which is what we’ve done. Except for washing up liquid is the only thing we would buy from the supermarket now.

Yeah. So so you can get rid of your bottled water if that’s what you’re doing, and you can get rid of all your cleaning products and just use those things. But in addition, there’s another level of taking water once it’s been purified into another state, which is using the molecular hydrogen and that kind of thing, which is a newish development in water. But it’s been showing really good results for people.

Darren: Yes. I mean, that’s something that I’ve not come across until now so that we can we can pick up on that again later on. But what I just wanted to go back to and just really highlight is, is the I the particle size, because this was something which I wasn’t aware of. And I’ve had several discussions with people around and general water filters.

And there’s this kind of general impression that because, you know, it’s it’s filtering the water that there were the water that’s filtered is perfect and free of any kind of not not bacteria, but any kind of nasty stuff that you would get if you if you took the water from the tap site. So for people listening to this, then. Comparison between obviously reverse osmosis vs. the filtered water, based on what you said, is just down to the particle size and which is filtered out. Is that correct?

Mark: Yeah. I mean, you know, when something’s when something’s filtering with a sort of absolute barrier like a membrane and water’s going through it and therefore particles above a certain size can’t actually get through.

Yeah, but if something’s doing something, it can be absorbing, which therefore has a limited capacity to absorb like carbon dioxide and some it can also be an iron exchange media, in which case what it’s doing is it’s attracting like a magnet. Right. But it’s giving something in return. Something else. Yeah. So it takes something out but put something in. And that’s really the basic things you’ve got in water treatment, you know.

So in the system I use, for example, it’s got like a sediment filter which is like a very large barrier. It’s got a carbon block which is a which is a block and another barrier as well. But carbon is an absorption media. Yeah, right. It’s got a reverse osmosis membrane, which then is like you imagine a load of A4 sheets of paper with little tiny holes in them. Yeah. And you stagger them and then roll them up into a roll.

That’s basically what a membrane is. And so Water’s is pressurized and pushed through the sheets and it’s very, very pure water. It gets through to the middle of the sheets.

And then it gets through, but the water that doesn’t get through concentrates and gets discharged, right? So reverse, distillation and reverse osmosis are in the pure water category at the top of the pyramid. And they are there because they separate water. They split water. Right. So distillation does it by heating and cooling it and reverse osmosis does it by pushing it through tiny holes. Right.

So in the case of reverse osmosis, you end up with the problem of water waste right now in the back in the day, when we when I got my first one, the only thing you could get was one that you come in and install under the kitchen sink. And that caused the problem because it connects to the drain. Right. So it can be right. And therefore, you immediately the day one you’ve installed that you’ve got a sanitary problem that you’ve got.

You’ve got to sanitize it off. And then all this stuff. Right, which when people don’t do, they often run into a problem, you know, and they can often use the system for a long time without knowing they’ve got a problem as well. Yeah, well, you know, after 10 years, it can taste like Guinness, but they got used to every day and it’s seriously like that, actually.

So when if people are going to actually think we’re going to do a filter system, they should obviously maintain it.

Yeah, they’ve got to have its filters, you know. Yeah. Anyway.

Yeah, so what was I saying, something to do with.

Forgotten now.

Darren: Yeah, so, yeah, I mean, yeah, the various different points in the house in which you can you can filter the water, but but what I wanted to really kind of dig into, obviously, we’ve covered the fact, the differences between the various different filtration systems versus kind of the reverse osmosis.

But what I really wanted to dig into is around the standard drinking water, because when I talk to a lot of people in the community and around me, the importance of making sure you’re hydrated and drinking water, you know, obviously we particularly in the UK, we’ve been brought up on the basis that it’s fine just to drink tap water.

We know when we go to Europe that that’s not always the case. But, you know, when you start to look into this and as you’ve already said, some of the stuff that we put down into the kind of sewage system from a cleaning standpoint, how that then is impacting, I guess, is two questions, really.

How is that then impacting our kind of tap water once it’s gone through the standard kind of water treatment process? And then secondly, what type of just how bad is tap water? You know, if you were to test tap water today, what type of things would you find in that tap water, which really would indicate that it’s perhaps not a good idea to drink it?

Mark: Well, you know what, it’s probably fine in most cases to drink, but tap water is completely different in different parts of the country. Yeah. Whether you’re in a city or in a countryside or whether you’re in an old house or a new build. Yeah. What you’re going to get is completely different. Right. But one thing that everyone should be aware of is this.

Might they are responsible for the water quality the water company are to the boundary of the property. Right. Right now, you’ve got a lot of old properties in Britain that have cast iron pipe work right now that might run 60 meters and supply an old school somewhere or something. You know, and you see this all the time. Now, you’ve also got a schedule, one of water quality in the water supply regulations.

OK, so schedule one is all the parameters like microbiological, chemical. Yeah. Etc parameters that have to be complied with. You know, in metals, you know, you’ve got and you’ve got some metals in there, but you’ve got to realize that there’s more than thirty thousand things that could be on here.

Wow. And how many are there really by for example, the problem with the problem with like the water regulations is there’s some parameters on there which are obviously important. But like what about like hexavalent chromium, for example? And that’s what the film Dark Waters was all about. Anyone seen that?

It’s about the company, Dupont.

Darren: Right.

Mark: So this is all about like new things that are happening in the world and how that affects different materials that pipes are made off, for example. Yeah. So there’s still a lot of that out there, you know, so you’ve got to realize there is that problem when people buy it, when people buy old houses as well, they’re the solicitor doing the conveyancing.

Because it’s fed by mains water, would they just assume that’s fine, but it’s not. Yeah, stopcock. And the pipes and that that’s all the owner’s responsibility can cost hundreds of thousands to do to redo that. Right.

And schools, by the way, they get advice from the local authorities to test for Legionella. Some of them don’t even have tanks. So this is ridiculous. They’ve never done the possibility test or schedule one analysis on the water. So and if they did, they wouldn’t test for hexavalent chromium. They would set the chromium, you see. So testing is a massive rabbit hole, right? It’s like you can carry on testing till the cows come home. We’ve had so many different things happen.

You know, in for example, in Northern Ireland, we had a nun come to us who’s telling us there’s a problem with the water after all this Protestant population and the water treatments done by some Catholic farmers who are subcontracted by the water authority.

And you’ve got that going on as well. So some people doing the dusting of water for different communities that they hate in the course of things going on.

So when people say it’s tap water, fine and it’s like what?

You know, where, you know,

Darren: There’s a very kind of open ended. 

Mark: When you’re talking about, you know, this is why I’ve chosen to be in that point in the pyramid, you know, in the pure water category, because I don’t want to think about what to test. I want an absolute result.

But that’s why the reverse osmosis is used for kidney dialysis in hospitals, because they need the purest form know that they can get. Now, why do they use distilled water? Well, because actually the most impurities in water are in a gaseous form right now. So you need carbon to absorb that out.

You see, when you’re dealing with membranes, you’re taking solids out of the water, dissolved solids, water. So you’ve got dissolved solids and dissolved gases in water. And you have to deal with both of those, you know. Right. And so a distiller doesn’t deal with the dissolved gases as well as is reverse osmosis. And the reverse osmosis doesn’t deal with solids as well as the distiller. But it might do 96 percent of what a distiller does for solids, you see. Yeah.

And then after that, you’ve got a remaining little bit of solids.

Well, that’s when people use things like the ionization resin to take it to zero, you say. So that’s a much better way to make zero solids and very little gases in the water, a very pure form of water, which is how it falls in nature.

Darren: Yeah. I think, you know, is quite alarming, really. Just the stuff you said that particularly around chromium being in the water and stuff like that, just how unaware we are of the various different chemicals and other stuff that can be in water. And from my perspective, you know, particularly when you mention around schools, you know, with children now there’s a big push in schools for them to drink water throughout the day, which is right and correct.

You know, because if we’re dehydrated by 10 per cent, we can lose 60 percent of our concentration. So we see with schools they want kids to be hydrated. But we’ve had a couple of instances, particularly with my youngest son, who has been drinking the tap water at school, and he’s come home with stomach pains and all the rest of it.

And I now switched into drinking the water from the old man machine that we’ve got. And we haven’t had any more instances of that. So, you know, I think we’ve gone a lot in there about the kind of technicalities of water. But I think in general, I think what we’re essentially saying is that really you want to be drinking the most purest form of water you can for you, for your overall health.

But I don’t know if you’re able to comment on this. But, you know, what would you say are some of the negative side effects that you’ve seen with regards to people’s health, to just consuming, you know, I guess non pure water, if you like, sit down from the pyramid.

Mark: Well, you know, it’s impossible to say, really, I mean, one thing I would say is that and generally someone who’s drinking tap water, right. Is obviously eating rubbish as well.

I mean, they’re not health conscious, obviously, if they’re doing that anyway, otherwise they would be. You know, one thing I would say is like for solidly for ten years, nearly every day we get called by someone diagnosed with cancer because the first two things they change is water and food. Yeah. And often now their GP’s are telling them to change the water as well. Yeah.

And many of our customers aren’t GPs. OK, so, you know, people know already that that’s water. Water is treated in a real it’s a fine balancing act that they have to achieve with water.

Obviously we’ve got huge population. The average consumption is sort of hundred and fifty liters per day per person per household, you know. Yeah, but we think that’s a lot of water, isn’t it? But that’s for everything, you know, doing the washing in the bath and everything, you know, that’s that’s the average.

And in areas of the country where water distress, even those rains continually. But we can , can we get a, we get our water from underground aquifers, you know. Right.

Which are low. In fact, recently some people can go around the coastline, didn’t get any water.

Oh, you. Farms that are for sale in the good areas there in the coast where places haven’t got any water. Yeah. So and there’s also the county council has stopped anyone drilling a new boreholes because a shortage of underground water. And, you know, it might get to a point where they’ll be doing compulsory purchase on private water supply, you know.

Wow. Just to keep the water going. Because when we use a lot of water. Yeah. And it takes a long time for it to become in a state where you can take it from a kind of natural source, you know.

But the reason I mentioned earlier about what we put down the drain, you know what we spray on our surfaces. This is every household contributes to this every year. Every farmer does. When they round up their fields, you know, they’re putting those chemicals in the land.

You know, they eventually get into the water underground, you know, but yeah. So, you know, people doing agriculture in every home that’s putting chemicals down the toilet and stuff that using things like sodium hypochlorite with water and salt. And then they, you know, that completely dissipates within 30 days anyway. Yeah, it does actual no harm to the environment, you know. Yeah. And it stops you buying the single use plastic.

It stops the chemical companies putting perfumes, radio down, whatever they want, really, you know. And so.


Darren: But but but I think though, Mark. That this is the I think this is the other issue though is that, you know, the prices that you’ve mentioned there, particularly around creating your own cleaning products, you know, that is something which is not widely marketed or publicized.

And, you know, whilst we you know, we’re talking about plastic in the environment and stuff like that, there’s not really anything being said about the chemicals that are going into the food chain, essentially, because that’s essentially what it’s doing. And I know from a farming standpoint, there is obviously talk around, you know, how modern farming methods are impacting overall general health, because obviously, you know, we’re consuming the products which are using the pesticides on.

But, you know, this is the first time I’ve actually heard anyone talk about, you know, cleaning chemicals in the water supply and also the process, which you mentioned in order to create your own cleaning product.

So what’s being done in the industry? And we’re going slightly off on a tangent here from away from drinking water. But I think it’s valid. You know what is being done in industry to kind of raise awareness around this?

Mark: Well, you know, we exist to solve those kind of those kind of problems for people, so so with the with the machine that it uses electrolysis, which is the it’s the reverse of what we’re doing with the hydrogen water. So we’re using electrolysis with that as well. And we’re electrolyzer the water. Right. We’re doing that in reverse to make sodium hypochlorite. And that’s how it’s been made. So we’ve got a little thing.

It’s just a development forward for people. It’s a threat to you know, when I spoke to the buyer because of the macro and I told them about this product, the guy said, I don’t think our customers would be interested unless they really people love this product. You know, it’s a no brainer for a cafe who’s sanitizing the toilets and cleaning everything every two minutes, you know?

Yeah, they’re spending a lot of money on all these bottles. And I said, are you worried about are you worried about losing money on, you know, your bleach and all this stuff? And it’s like, well, I mean, I was like, well, of course, but it’s going to be replaced with a different product, you see. Yeah, but the minute the buyer for those guys doesn’t want to do it, you see. Right.

So it’s about consciousness, about what motivates them because he’s thinking he’s going to lose money by doing that, as is the farmer who’s rounding up the field, thinks he’ll lose money if he doesn’t do that.

Yeah. I mean, so when that when that becomes the first objective rather than make good potatoes or, you know. Yeah. And when it goes off straight from the beginning and it creates a series of negative events after that. Whereas if you design that, we designed that to create a positive thing which is saving money, saving plastic and. Yeah. And stopping you from buying that stuff.

And people are buying, filling it, filling up trolleys with bottled water. And I think the lockdown’s been good for that because some people are like, what am I doing, you know, going up in a mask, putting bottled water in the trolley.

That’s it’s just, you know, you could wake up to. Yeah, I’m doing a lot better, you know. Yeah. Anyway, no one goes back to doing that because I don’t I’m not too harsh on anyone buying bottled water. That’s what I was doing as well. I was doing the same thing, so I didn’t know there was anything else. And when I found it was and I also found out that that wasn’t that good either. So I said, well,

Darren: That’s that was that.

Yeah. I mean, that was the other thing that I wanted to talk about. I wanted to talk about the comparison between obviously, you know, the reverse osmosis and Osmio’s machines vs. vs. bottled water, because I think a couple of things that, you know, surround education is, as you mentioned, particularly with the example of the buyer for those retailers.

But, you know, we all kind of I guess we assume that if we buy bottled water, you know, aside from the environmental impact around plastic, that the contents of that bottle water is perfect because, you know, it’s marketed as it’s come from a spring or it’s come from on the ground or, you know, it’s coming from the mountains in the Alps, wherever it comes from.

But the general consensus, I would argue that if you sat 100 people down and them, how good is it? Better than tap water. The answer when we come back. Yes, but that was the one thing that I wanted to ask you if you compared to, you know, versions of water, you know, is bottled water actually is good, is what it says on the tin?

Mark: Well, what I didn’t know when I was buying bottled water is a couple of things. So one is about the plastic. The plastic it’s in. Yeah. Which now, since 2008, it’s been known that that contains two thousand plus more BPA like endocrine disrupting chemicals.

Darren: Right.

Mark: OK, so when everything came out about BPA, bisphenol A, you know, and so you see a lot of plastic bottles in the supermarkets and stuff and it says BPA free on it. Yeah. So BPA is an the crying disrupting chemical that was discovered in the 90s or whenever it was. Right. And then and then there was a lot of legal action and then suddenly everything had to be BPA free. Right.

Darren: Yeah,

Mark: But then University in Germany in 2008 published two thousand plus more newly discovered BPA-like chemicals, newly discovered ones. So every year we discover new chemicals.

Darren:  Yeah, exactly.

Mark: So they’re on the par with BPA, right. So does it matter whether a bottle is BPA free or not? Absolutely. It doesn’t matter. It’s there’s two thousand plus other chemicals in that in that single use. Plastic,

Darren: Right.

Mark: Right. So so, you know, that’s the. No one thing to avoid if it’s in a glass bottle, then fair enough, but but the other side of it is that a water cannot have a two year shelf life in the plastic bottle or a glass bottle without the assistance of tasteless and odorless disinfection chemicals which are put in to keep it, to give it a two year shelf life.

And the shelf life of bottled water increased from one year to two years. And the legislation that sits under it is so shady.

But you have to realize that the companies that make this stuff of probably more powerful than the EU, combined with dealing with the huge, powerful Coca-Cola level. Businesses know all this stuff, right? So they make they’ve got the money. Whoever’s got the money makes the rules.

Darren: Yeah, exactly.

Mark: But they can get away with not putting cancer warnings in California to California’s Proposition 65, which is that any products put in any products that put in place that contain chemicals that are known to the state of California have to cause birth defects, infertility and cancer have to be coming with a Proposition 65 warning for bottled water.

And that’s that’s. There you go.

That’s the power of the lawyers of the big companies, right? Yeah. But if you take any of them on legally, you’ve got all of that to deal with, which is to get away with, like, you know, getting statesman and stuff to do stuff like that is obviously what we’ve got now with the whole lockdown in the vaccine industry and stuff now running the show now because they they’ve got so much money from the actual drug business that we feed that business, by the way, every household.

So that’s why I say to everyone, just look in the mirror, tidy up your own household. Yeah. And then, you know, your shop shopper, all the ethical places, you know, question the ethics of who you’re working for as well and where you spend.

Darren: Yeah, yeah. I think I think that’s important. But I think it comes back again to awareness. It comes back to education on, you know, because the challenge that we have as consumers and I think the marketing and the food food organizations and drink companies are all aware of the issues that we face increasingly busier and busier lives.

We’re concerned about overall health right now. People are concerned about jobs in general day to day living. And so to then actually add this into the mix in terms of making sure you shop in ethically and all that, you know, I make sure that I shop in a certain way with regards to where the food comes from and all the rest of it. But it’s really challenging for the consumer. And I think that, you know, again, this may be the kind of talking a bit like a conspiracy theorist.

But, you know, we are led to believe by all of the companies that what we consume, what they make is good for us. And unfortunately, there’s not because there’s so many hidden agendas behind it, you know, around, you know, reports and studies that come out. A lot of them come out of labs that are backed by pharmaceutical companies, by food companies.

And so it’s all skewed in their favor, as you’ve already said. So, again, we’re getting a little bit off on a tangent here.

But I think the message that I kind of want to get across is that we need to be aware or at least be conscious of the fact that, you know, what you buy, where you shop is is not what it says on the tin and the BPA free stuff that you mentioned about as well.

You know, that’s that’s a huge thing, because whilst the contents of the bottle might be fine, once it’s gone into the bottle, it then ends up becoming contaminated. And like you said, you know, for water to have a shelf life of two years is just not realistic, because if you used to put that same water into a glass bottle and just leave it there for two years and, you know, when you came back to it probably wouldn’t taste very nice.

So, well, it’s just all about raising awareness. But like you say, you know, getting your own house in order, you know, making sure that whatever you’re consuming at home, you’re doing in the best possible manner that you can. So when we’re talking about the Osmio products, then can you run us through the various different levels of products that you do?

Mark: Yeah, sure, we’ve got really this like there’s the top of the pyramid one, the reverse osmosis is the main one we focus on. Yeah, but there are like we do go a few levels down and it kind of stays about there, you know. So we’ve got quite basic systems for different we’ve got different products for different purposes as well. Yeah.

And sometimes people send us water analysis and say, I’ve got this problem, I need something to solve it. So we just do that and not everything we want to do, though. So we’ve got products that fit just to do a purpose.

So the best way to do it is to just is to come to us and tell us the situation that you’ve got. And then we can match your problem with a solution that is the best here, because it will depend on how many people there are, you know, whether the water’s hard or soft or, you know, whether it’s a private supply remains supply. If it’s an old house or a new build, you know, there’s different problems.

Come with these. Yeah. It’s better to look every case, but to look at on itself, there’s no general answers. But one thing is that we’ve we put a lot of effort into taking reverse osmosis away from installation, away from being connected to the drain pipe to solve the hideous water waste problem. Right. That’s the drain in the and the water waste of the Achilles heels of the industry of reverse osmosis.

Right. So we took those two problems and then engineered the system that meant you didn’t have to install it. And we also solved the hot water problem because there’s companies selling instant boiling taps out there.

And we’ve done videos on YouTube, the truth about instant boiling taps to show people how toxic they are because they’re like, you know, even after three months, someone’s getting 30 parts per million extra TDs in the water. Someone after six years is more than doubling their Solich level in the water that’s going into it. What’s coming out?

You know, so we’ve exposed it and I’ve been to appliances direct who sell the most out there. Right. Of instant boiling touch because they’re not even selling the top brands.

They’re selling cheap Chinese blackbox for 500 quid or whatever. And they thought they sell tons. And I’ve met with their drove all the way up north to meet with them. And the presentation showed them how the heating element just literally disappears. Heat is gone, you know, and, you know, people don’t drink or cook with the hot water in their kitchen, right.

Because we know it’s way more contaminated with solids. You don’t even need to stick to it. Just most people don’t do that. Right. And that’s at sixty degrees. Imagine 100 hundred degrees all the time.

And they get they put them in homes and workplaces. They advertise on TV, Cuoco and all this stuff. Right. They really do not care about heavy metal toxicity of the metals in the area just disappearing over time. Yeah. You see what I mean. And when you filter that water, you make it more solvent and even worse for the corrosion. Yeah. So we had a problem. And if so, so the way we solve that problem is using a heating system in the Osmio Zero, which is using ceramic oxide.

So that doesn’t corrode or within the lifespan of the system, doesn’t extract itself into the water, right? Yeah, but everything else does stainless steel, whatever grade, it just starts doing it because it’s the heat and the pressure and the timer and the solvency of the water. The purity, the more pure is, the quicker it will corrode something. Right. Yeah. So now that’s a big issue.

When you’ve got a sealed system, you can’t see the heating element in the box under the sink. You would not you know, and people are poisoning themselves. Right. And they’re watching television, which is another poison. And they’re thinking,

I’ll be lovely to have instant boiling water on tap. And my wife wants it and they get it and it. And people spend a decent amount of money on these things and it’s hideous. So trying to get the message out there about anyone using it, just check it with the TDS meter to service your heating elements or better still, get rid of it, you know.

So Osmios Zero takes very pure water, runs it for a flowthrough heater. Right. Which is made of reira ceramic oxide. So it doesn’t put anything into it. And it comes out the same. So often within the life of the system, say, 10 years.

It wouldn’t it wouldn’t do that, you see. So when that when that type of heating technology came out, we jumped on it straight away to put it into the system.

And that started like six years ago.

Darren: Right.

Mark: So now it’s like a really it’s a superior product, because if you were a household with, say, four or five people at most and you wanted something for drinking and cooking in the kitchen, that’s the only thing we recommend now.

Darren: Yeah, I mean,

Unless it fit your budget, in which case you have to go down the pyramid. That’s it. Really?

Darren: Yes.

I think for us, you know, particularly if you’re a coffee lover, the listeners listen to this. Actually, you know, the more purer in the water, the more you can taste the actual flavor from the coffee. And I’m a coffee lover and I can attest to the fact that since I’ve had the Osmio Zero , my coffee does taste, I have a lot better.

Mark: So I send you some of my coffee. I’ve just got a literally because we’ve taken over a nature reserve that has  a cafe in the shop that I know which coffee we’re going to get.

So we want it. Biodynamic Coffee. Coffee is one of the most sprayed products with pesticides and stuff. When you wash and you roast coffee, actually that gets rid of a lot of pesticides, but not all of it, especially not a lot of the newer ones. Right. So when you roast, you might only get rid of 70 percent of a specific pesticide and you might rid of 99 percent of another one.

You say so. But because there’s so many in that we found biodynamic coffee produced in Brazil that had okay. We found one in India that didn’t have good water, but we found a good Brazilian one that grows completely naturally. They’re using permaculture to grow stuff next to the coffee to keep the coffee acceptable, then it really nicely. So we imported the green beans and then a friend of mine in Sevenoaks does the roasting. And we’ve made our own bio dynamic coffee, which is really nice one you heard about. It is just quickly about coffee. So is that when you roasted like the darker you roast it the more expressive it is, right. Yeah, and often the shinier it gets as well. But we roasted the coffee quite dark and it doesn’t get shiny compared to the beans.


So we literally compared it to supermarket coffee beans. That one is literally so glossy and our beans are totally matte. They’re not glossy. I mean when the oils go to the surface, when you roast anyway. But, you know, the point is and oh, my friend is a roasted never got biodynamic beans before. Never. He’s done organic ones before. Okay.

He’s roasted biodynamic for the first time and that was his first thing he told me is like these things didn’t come out shining, you know. So that’s interesting. So is that so to do the pesticide? We don’t know, but it’s. Yeah, yeah. So because I grow all my own veg, I we don’t buy any veg even in the winter where we’re storing it and freezing it and stuff.

Yeah but but the only thing I was buying that where my pesticide comes from is coffee. So it’s like no get the good coffee and we’re sorted now for the so but yeah it’s sort of looking at doing everything like honey and everything at the and growing all the food for the cafe and stuff like that. So it’s just because you know, I’ve spoken to loads of farmers, we’re surrounded by farmers who grow for supermarkets and one of them is a huge landowner that rents to other farmers the land.

And it’s like having it’s like being a landlord and having a load of houses and having really rubbish tenants, you’ve got loads of students in there having a house party all the time and the place and that’s what the farmers are doing to the land every every time they are depleting the the nutrients and the soil and the soil bacteria and its health and everything, you know, every time, you know, and becoming very chemical dependent.

So, you know, the landowners are worried about what’s going on. They want the farmers to change. Yeah. And the farmers are worried about if they don’t do this, they’re not going to make money, you know. No, that’s. Yeah. I mean, the uniform look that they’ve contracted with the supermarkets provide, you know.

Darren: Yeah.

Mark: So,

Darren: Yeah, I think that’s that’s you know, that’s a whole other podcast episode really around, you know, farming and sources of vegetables and how it’s depleting the minerals in the soil and everything else.

Mark: But if it’s to do with food as well, like watering the food is like watering yourself, you know. Yeah. What you feed your crops with food and water is how you feed yourself.

And it’s another just quick point about the water in your body is on different levels. Right. So that’s almost like a pyramid as well. Yeah. Lowest level in your body is called metabolic water, and that’s the water in the in the human cell.

Right. There’s a mitochondria in the whole human cell that’s known to be the power battery of a human cell. So if you think of it, a human cell like a car, you’ve got a battery in the car that’s got water in it. That’s metabolic water, right? The mitochondria.

Then you’ve got fuel for the cell, which is hydrogen, and you’ve got a factory of hydrogen in your guts. That’s through the anaerobic fermentation of food, releases gas into your body.

You breathe air, which has twenty one percent oxygen. And that combines with the hydrogen gas from your guts and forms the metabolic water in the mitochondria, in the cell. That’s where the smallest level you say in the body is breathing air. So you make metabolic water through breathing and eating.

If you don’t breathe well or if you don’t eat well, your body’s water at the fundamental top of the pyramid is going to be bad.

It’s going to be high in deuterium. You know, deuterium is the exhaust of the car. You know, the human deuterium. It uses hydrogen as a fuel.

But deuterium is the opposite, you know, and that’s that’s the basis of metabolic water, you see, because that’s very slowly affected by what you drink, you know. But it’s a function of gut health and a function of breathing health. That’s why people can really recover from health problems by sorting out gut problem and breathing either. And, you know, doing you’re doing breathing exercises, improve the quality and everything, you know. So,

Darren: Yeah, definitely.

Mark: I mean, we’ve got you’ve got breathing and you’ve got eating related to your metabolic water and you’ve got what you drink on a daily basis affects your metabolic water slowly over time.

You say it takes months and months to change your metabolic water for drinking something, you know.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, the whole kind of topic around breathing and around got health and the rest of it again, you know, that’s those are two huge topics.

Darren: But, you know, when you talk on a general level about them, it’s kind of it seems very simple and very basic. But it does have such a profound impact on overall health.

And it’s like I was saying at the beginning of the episode, really, and it’s a puzzle that we all need to put together in order to kind of build this big overall approach to health, really, as opposed to just, you know, there’s not one panel that’s going to fix anything. And, you know, water is a big part of this, as we’ve discussed in the episode today.

So, Mike, before I let you go, people that they are interested in, you know, getting hold of products, which means it improves our water quality. Where would you recommend that they start with the Osmio Range or for people to get going on this?

Mark: Well, I think I think it’s great that first I want to say it’s great that you’re doing content about this. You know, given the context of a pandemic.

And none of the mainstream news has been putting out public advice about how to improve your immune system.

Yet rather than staying apart and putting a mask on and all this stuff, these are not these are not ways to build the body’s immune system. So people listening to your podcast and other people promoting health and promoting immune system is where they need to be going, you know? Yeah, but ultimately, as I said before, like, you know, everyone’s got a slightly different situation.

Most of most people go with the Osmio Zero because that’s the product which is positioned in where it is. And that’s what it does. And it’s where we’ve put a lot of our research and design work, you know, to actually improve something, to get one thing really, really good. Yeah. And that’s been a major development for the industry to actually change how it’s done.

And that means there’s no clamor and no none of that involved as well, which is it solved a lot of problems, actually, completely. And it’s made it user friendly. So it’s kind of got to say we’re happy now with where it is and we’re just looking ahead. And I think people should just look at their situation, whether they’re renting or they own the house or what they’re doing, because there’s different things fit, different requirements.

So that’s why we sort of have a website and people can shop there. But yeah, from there, you know, we like it when they contact us and they can we can find out about them and what what the situation is and then suggest to them what to look at. Yeah. Yeah. Because that’s really when you say with the point of entry, that can be very difficult. It can be impossible.

Sometimes you can’t find it, sometimes it’s on the kitchen sink and sometimes it’s in the garage. So, you know, it depends on what the situation is. So we look at every case and though this is what we think, you know, you should do.

Darren: Yeah, well, I think as a family, we’re going to try the vitamin C showerhead as well, because I think that’s quite a really simple, inexpensive, inexpensive and effective way to get some good vitamin C into the body for the hair and for the skin. So I think that’s a really, really good, useful product as well, which I recommend that people check out on your website. Yeah.So, yeah Well, before. 

Mark: Just to finally say and we’ve only done in molecular hydrogen for not a very long time, just coming up to two years.

Darren: Okay.

Mark: Now that’s just been totally transformative for us because for years we were a water filter company and now we’re doing research with the university and sponsoring degrees in molecular hydrogen because of that, because of what it’s done for therapy, for therapeutic effect, for people with problems, real ones, you know, so if you look at like the Elsmere Infinity and look at the duo bottles and just read reviews and what people are saying, the videos and stuff, you know, there’s quite amazing things and that’s why we’ve got interested and so on.

So it’s worth just people looking into that, because that’s, you know, your gut health is the hydrogen factory that gets done by poor food and by phosphates and potatoes and stuff we consume, you know, so we suffer got health and that affects our metabolic water.

That’s that’s the chain reaction of events. So if we saw our food grow a bit of our own food or shop a biodynamic farms and go back to traditional farming, that was pre agrichemicals back to the 1950s in terms of farming, and then everyone’s lots of disease is going to disappear.

Darren: Yeah,

Mark: You see?

Darren: Yeah. I mean, that is quite profound. And I think I’ve mentioned this in. A couple of times and some other episodes, you know, there’s a lot of media around specific diets right now because, you know, of environmental effects, you know, particularly vegan vs. Carnivore and all the rest of it.

But I strongly believe and obviously you’ve mentioned it there, it’s not about that is the way modern farming methods have developed to produce the foods and the way that the food is being produced, which is the major issue, I think is a much higher level than the diet issue.

So, yeah, I agree with you more wholeheartedly that I think that that is not being talked about enough. But like I said, that’s that’s a whole other podcast that we do we talk about.

So it’s been really interesting to talk to you today, Mark, and it is a fascinating topic. And I hope that the people listening to this really now start to understand and question the sources of your water for the benefit of overall health. But before I let you go, Mark, is there anything that I didn’t ask that you feel I should have asked you which would benefit the listeners?

Mark: Well, I think I think the only thing I’d like to say is about like, you know, there’s many ways that you can improve your immunity.

Lots of people are worried about about covid-19 coronavirus, even though, like, if I was married to an A&E doctor locally and I know a lot of paramedics, nurses and what is going on actually in A&E where I live and when the lockdown happened, there was about a 30 percent rise in respiratory pneumonia type symptoms among the very old care home level.

And no one else was sick, you know, so the whole justification for locking down healthy people was just weird, you know? Yeah. We also know loads of people moved out of hospital before the lockdown and then into care homes and then locked down care homes to go to any right. Which is a bit genocidal, you know, really.

But at the time when that was going on, I was contacting all of the MPs to get them to stop that, you know, but now it’s just it’s a state where, you know, lots of media outlets have just put out this anti health advice, you know, anti health advice, because we’re entering the flu season now and we see a long time separating and not mixing germs about, which is what we kind of need, what we do normally every year.

Yeah. And there wasn’t really a rise in deaths until the lockdown, actually, but that’s that those things have caused the rise in death, you say. And the other thing about testing is a bit like I’m looking for a number six on the car’s number plate. You know, how many cars have the number six on it. So it’s just like the test isn’t really looking for what is supposed to be as well.

Yeah. So, you know, I’m glad if people are tuning into other other journalists who are actually reporting stuff like that, because they’re you’re not getting advice about how to boost immune system or how to do things like any sensible advice from many places.

It seems like too much of that. So, you know, we’ve, you know, with contact tracing and all this stuff, I’ve I’ve given up my mobile phone and my Facebook because Facebook restricted me for posting something completely normal.

Yeah. And then I realized, you know, we cannot use that platform if we do it where we’re contributing, that we are the product on that platform. Yeah. So I’m off that and then the mobile as well.

It’s just it’s got it’s now trans human, it’s, it’s part of a human, you know. Yeah. And so to cut that off, the reason is because I don’t want my kids seeing me holding a phone all the time and using it because it tells you in your manual not to do it correctly.

So people don’t need mobiles, they just need a landline, an email, and they can get on video team forums and things like that, the mobile anymore.

So ditch the mobile. That’s what I’m telling everyone. I know that’s not a question. It’s just something I want to share with people to say you don’t need your mobile. And that’s what it is. It’s like drawing people in.

They think they need it, but they don’t know. What they need to do is get outside and make some veg patches and get in allotment and grow food. Yeah. You know, yeah.

Darren: One hundred percent. I agree with that. And I think, again, you know, there’s a lot of people that are pouring scorn on the fact that, you know, a lot of these social media platforms are now being very biased towards messages that are being sent out.

And again, I don’t want to sound like a bit of a conspiracy theorist, but you only have to be aware of it to see actually what’s going on. And I had Dave Asprey from Bulletproof on the show last week, and he actually has a separate page on his website now where he shares information because he.

Unable to share it on social platforms because they’ve been censoring it. So, yeah, I mean, this is we’re in really interesting times and like I completely agree with what you’re saying around, you know, general health advice is being put out there. And I don’t know the reasons behind.

Mark: I think you should like I think you should do a hug conspiracy theorist day, because is absolutely everything to lose, nothing to gain from what they do. But they are really impressionable.

So any fake news can send them down the rabbit hole. Absolutely. And there’s a lot of that down there, like I think that was that was done. So, I mean, but generally they’ve got nothing to gain other than just, you know, losing friends, you know, nothing to gain from doing that.

They should be hugged and celebrated, actually, because they’re keeping an eye on things. Really.

Darren: Exactly.

Mark: But you have to get involved with what is going on, you know? But really, I think it’s coming to an interesting time now. It’s good that you’re promoting health and immune , immune system and good health because the people that are doing all this stuff in our world, right.

They don’t get sick, but it’s getting people breathing hydroxy. Haven’t got sick, none of them yet. But the ones that were very sick have got well,

Darren: Yes.

Mark: So. 

Darren: On. That note, Mark, thank you very much for coming on to the podcast today and say for people that want to connect to Osmio water, want to connect to you, what’s your and obviously you’re not on social media, but what’s the Osmio 20 years or all that kind of stuff?

Mark: That’s it ,We deleted that off our website and we stopped using Facebook and Instagram. But I think we’re still on there, but we’ve not working there anymore. What we’re doing is we’re saying sign up to our newsletter.

When we want to broadcast something, you’ll get an email from us. Yeah. And that way we know one can be platform or censor or muzzle. What we want to say, you know, just sign up newsletter, which you can do on our website, the bottom.

And if you wanted to order something, you get you get like a discount code for signing up anyway. So but yeah, we don’t like to in the last year emails to everyone, not often.

One was during the lockdown, which was a letter I sent to all MPs as well. Right. But yeah, I shared that with our audience, which we’ve got about 30000 people. And on occasion. But but we you know, with Facebook, they stop us from getting our message to them anyway, you know, for exactly that. Anyway, we don’t want to deal with Facebook or instagram or WhatsApp and we’re off those things now.

And we think actually our own newsletter is the way forward because people can subscribe or unsubscribe.

They can listen if they want to if they’re engaged or not, that’s fine.

But really, your email group and your newsletter is your platform that you can control, you know. Absolutely. But yeah, no, it’s an ethical stance really from YouTube and Facebook. And what they’re doing is censoring a lot of information, which I think it’s like Nazi like behavior.

And therefore we shouldn’t be consumers on their platform. We should say no. I mean, like, I’m you know, I’m not paying any more for a for a SIM card in a mobile phone because I’m not I’m not up for the developments of that industry, what they’re doing.

I don’t I don’t think we need faster Internet or anything. We’ve got it all good now, you know. Yeah. I don’t want I don’t want people glued to their phones, you know, dependent on, you know, and there’s studies that show people are much happier when they’re not looking at a screen circadian rhythm, looking at the absolute blue light and all the rest of it.

I’ve still got a phone that I use, but it’s not connected to anything. And it’s, you know, it’s just it just helps a lot. It’s been much happier having not been on Facebook or by the way, it’s back to back to the eighties.

Darren: It’s excellent. Yeah, I’m up. Well, it’s I think it’s is your website, so you to just go over there, have a look and sign up to the newsletter and. Yeah. Thanks very much for coming on to the show today Mark.

Mark: Yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah. Great. Thank you so much. Have a good day.

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