Episode Highlights

00:02:52 Background of Redlight Rising
00:09:26 The importance of proper diet
00:11:50 How Redlight therapy changes your mood.
00:13:24 Biological impact of lights to human beings and all animals.
00:16:55 Difference between Redlight light and sunlight
00:21:31 Best time for Redlight therapy
00:27:05 Benefits of Redlight therapy for muscle recovery
00:30:27 How this Redlight therapy should be installed
00:31:22 How long does it take for you to feel the effects of Redlight therapy
00:34:57 The three top benefits of Redlight therapy
00:42:50 Connecting to the guest


Fitness Guide





Welcome to the Fitter Healthier Dad Podcast, where you can learn how to improve your diet, lose fat and get fitter in a sustainable and fun way without spending hours in the gym is your host Darren Kirby.

Darren: Welcome back to the podcast, guys. This is the number one podcast for dads in their 40s who want to improve their health and fitness. This is Episode sixty four. And joining me on today’s show is Brian Gold and James Strong, the co-founders of Red Light Rising. And we’re going to be discussing the huge health benefits of red light therapy. Red Light Rising was founded in twenty seventeen after the founders both suffered with health issues and were unable to get answers to their problems. This is when they went off and started to do their own research into health and wellness, which led them to discover the huge health benefits of red light therapy. And following a chance meeting at a wellness event, the pair went on to find a red light rising. Welcome to the podcast. How are you? 

Brian: Fantastic!

James: Yeah. Really great, thanks.

Darren: Excellent. Excellent. So finally, we’ve managed to get to speak, so I’m really excited about the podcast today.

But for people that haven’t necessarily come across you guys and red like rising, can you give us a bit of background on how you come to create the product in the first place and obviously red light therapy?

Yeah, absolutely. So this is James here. So I’m one of the co-founders of Redlight Rising. And also on the podcast, we’ve got Brian, who’s my business partner, friend and also co-founder. And basically we met at the end of twenty seventeen and we were both on our health journeys coming from very different directions. 

But again, just trying to find a more holistic approach to managing our health to improve performance and sporting performance just day to day performance and just feel better in our day to day lives. My background is that I was a professional rugby player. I always felt like I was not a top athlete, but I was above average in terms of athletic performance. 

I did eight years of London Welsh rugby and semi professional work in investment banking and again lived a relatively busy, active and quite intense life really. And approaching the end of my rugby career, I just felt really lethargic. My mind wasn’t working. I just was struggling to sleep day to day. 

And it’s just really a bit of a grind. I just thought that this can’t be right. And looking at traditional medicine, went to speak to my GP and things and they basically said, you’re absolutely fine. You got a little bit of health. It’s just, you know, you live a bit of a busy life and that’s it really offered me some tablets fleeter to some aches and pains, and that was it. And that just didn’t sit well with me. And so let me just exploring holistic approaches to health.

And that led me to the ketogenic diet, to the bulletproof approach to dietary protocols, to bulletproof coffee. And also on that path, I discovered Redlight therapy and I wrote about the benefits of therapy. I just could not believe it. At the time in twenty seventeen, it was relatively inaccessible in the UK. There weren’t really anyone selling it. 

The only option was really to buy it from a US supplier, pay the importation. And basically it was going to cost multiple thousands and thousands of pounds to get it into the UK. And that wasn’t really an option at the time. 

So I’d met Brian at a very similar point and we decided we’d basically design our own light based on the research studies and bring it to the UK and basically just use it for ourselves to realize these benefits. And so that happened at the end of twenty, seventeen and within a few weeks of using these lights, both this we were like, oh my gosh, are you feeling good?

And I was like, oh my God, yeah, I feel amazing. My energy levels have picked up. My mind is working better. I’m just sleeping better. And just day to day, I’m just just in a much better state of mind and feeling a lot more upbeat and straight away, we said we’ve got to bring this to the UK. It’s an amazing opportunity to really help so many people. And in that moment, Redlight Rising was formed.

Darren: Yeah, that’s a fascinating insight. And what I find really interesting. I don’t know what whether it’s the guest that I have on the podcast, but there are so many you guys who are ex rugby players who obviously get beaten up through the sport and then realize when they get to kind of like a certain point in their life that you’re going to start taking care of themselves.

So, yeah, no, that’s fascinating. But why would it just pick up on there? James is around the GP visit. And I think it’s really interesting because so often you hear that story where people and I’ve actually had a conversation with somebody today about they’ve got health, you know, they go to their GP. The GP follows that the GP protocol does the test and says, oh, you’re absolutely fine, you know. 

You just need to get on with it, but it’s I think it’s really interesting how we’re now starting to take we’re not to take their answers as gospel and starting to look into our our own health when we don’t feel right instead of just accepting it. So when you went to see your GP, you said you were tired and stuff like that and you didn’t feel right. But what was it specifically that you how you were feeling?

James: Always in a bit of a brain fog? I suffered a number of concussions during my rugby career, and basically I was suffering from mild concussion syndrome. And also I was eating a very high carbohydrate diet and I was just chasing the next meal constantly.

I couldn’t go two hours without reaching for a snack or looking for something to pat me up to try and get me through the day. And again, it was just like showing a lot of addictive traits all my life, really, I was just getting out of control, really. I just couldn’t. I was eating a huge amount of food but felt completely unsatisfied.

I wasn’t sleeping at night. I was struggling with concentration and focus and work. I was just in a bit of a zoned out state most of the time and just didn’t feel up myself. And again, there were no sort of defining sort of symptoms that would say, yeah, this is the problem. But it was just all in all, just things weren’t right. And I just wasn’t really satisfied with the explanations I was given. And that just led me to start looking at literature, looking at books like what were the options out there.

And again, you know, this information is readily available out there. There are so many amazing authors, health practitioners, who are really forging forwards and leading the charge in holistic health, taking control back in and actually looking after your own health, because at the end of the day, the NHS is an amazing institution and they offer amazing facilities for us in the UK, but it’s very much focused on acute injuries.

And when you are injured seriously. So they’re fantastic and they’ll do an amazing job to get you back on your feet and back in the working world. But, when you’ve got these chronic conditions that accumulate over time, again, there aren’t really many facilities to support those individuals looking to try and just give themselves a better quality of life. 

And I think that’s where the opportunity is really to educate yourself and really nip it in the bud before these acute problems really get quite when these when these chronic conditions become more acute, you can really nip it in the bud and introduce some healthy protocols to help you lifestyle.

Darren: Yeah, I completely agree with that. I think that our approach to health and I completely resonate with the message around the NHS is an amazing facility, but it can’t continue in the way that it has in so much as we’re taking this approach to health where we’re fixing, we need to take it back or upper level, whichever way you want to look at it. 

And we need to be preventing and therefore it’s up to the individual. We’re responsible for our own health the way I see it, and taking that control and making it part of our daily existence means that we maintain it like you maintain a call. So, yeah, I completely agree with that. 

But I just wanted to go to Brian. Brian, what was your kind of when obviously you and James met and you started to dig into red light therapy, where were you in your life when you’re in a similar position?

Brian: Yeah, I was in a similar position in the way that I was sick. You know, it wasn’t anything sports related, but about where we are now. About 15 years ago or so, I decided to go vegetarian because of all the powerful propaganda and all the powerful stuff on Facebook that you see in the documentary. 

So I went vegetarian and immediately my health started to decline. I started suffering with digestive issues from day one. I started off off there a year or so ago. I started noticing joint pain and that went on.

I was vegetarian for about seven years and then went on the entire time. For seven years I was sick, but I was still deeply ensconced in the vegetarian dogma that not for a second, that I tried to guess that it might be my diet ruining my health. Yeah. 

And then now by chance I had some conversations and some, you know, some things were said and I suddenly realized that, oh my God, maybe it’s maybe it’s because I’m not eating any meat. Maybe meat is the secret ingredient.

So then I, you know, just like James, I found the bulletproof diet, I found the ketogenic diet, the low carb, high fat thing. And, you know, at first it sounded absolute chaos because everything we’ve been told up to now is that you don’t eat fat because it will kill you. So I it took me a while to get my head around what those diets prescribe, which is a very high amount of dietary fat in your food.

But as soon as I started eating more meat and more fat, then my health came back and I was like, oh my God, I can’t believe that was like the missing ingredient. And this is getting my health back. 

Well, actually, the book that I read, the book called The Bulletproof Diet by Dave Esprit, I read that book and not only does he talk about the high fat diet in this book, but he also talks about a whole bunch of other things which are known as bio or more recently, we call them health optimization, which is exactly what we’re talking about right now. 

No, it’s whether it’s fasting or getting natural light or blocking blue light or eating a high fat diet or red light therapy. And that’s what I heard about red light therapy, because I’ve been reading this book. 

And, you know, there’s a number of things when we talk about health optimization, there’s always they say to me, all I want to get I want to start doing health optimization, give me some red light.

And I said, well, have you fixed your diet? Are you exercising or are you sleeping properly or are you taking cold showers or you do all the free things first? So that’s what I did. I did all the free things. I did everything that was easier, grabbed all the low hanging fruit. And then I was at the stage where I can. Now I’m ready for red light therapy. I’ve been reading about it.

I’ve been seeing these companies in the States. I’ve been listening to podcasts. And that’s exactly when James and I met.

We met at some kind of a meeting about red light therapy and then our stories, the same, you know, it was way too expensive to justify buying it from the States. So we made a couple of units, as James says, and I was health optimization, which is such a big subject, but includes everything in my life. At that time, I was in a career that I didn’t like, in a city that I didn’t like.

So 90 percent of my day, I was miserable because I was doing stuff I didn’t like.And then within a few days of using the red light therapy, I was whistling and singing on my way to work. Then I was like, oh, my God, I’m in a fantastic mood.

And that was the first thing that I noticed. But then after that, the major benefits for me of red light therapy, which I’m sure we’ll get into. But that was my start basically.

Darren: Yeah. Awesome. I think it is quite interesting to hear a South African saying that they weren’t vegetarian. I’m surprised that you weren’t ejected from the country if you do vegetarianism in South Africa, because I know meat is such a big staple of the diet out there.

Brian: But I was hanging out. I was hanging out with a big group of South Africans. And, of course, you know, we’d go and have a barbecue at the beach. I’d actually lived in Jersey at the time in the UK and we’d go and have a barbecue at the beach. 

And there I was, throwing corn on the cob and courgettes. And they were looking at me like, yeah, and it was there. It damaged my social life, but not as much as it damaged my health, that’s for sure.

Darren: No, absolutely. So I’d like to kind of dig, if I can, James, for the science behind red light therapy, because, you know, as we get to this stage in the year we are in the UK where the light starts to disappear earlier. We don’t get so much sun shining. There’s this big thing around vitamin D. So, you know, for people listening is the red light therapy help with vitamin D. How does it work from a scientific aspect?

James: Yeah, sure. So this we’re all very well aware of the light spectrum and the different types of light out there. I remember those lights are bioactive, meaning they have a biological impact on human beings and all animals, for that matter. 

And you talk about vitamin D, so when we were exposed to the UV light and UVB in particular, your body is able to synthesize vitamin D with the exposure and UVB is only available when the sun is at a very steep angle over the years really, as you get a lot more opportunity to get access to vitamin D and UVB light, when you’re when you’re on obviously the equator of the earth, the further you go away, the weaker the UVB light, if at all.

And therefore, in the UK in particular, in the winter, you’re not able to get UVB and therefore you can’t synthesize vitamin D. And so it’s very important in the summer that you build your bank up of the vitamin D and then throughout the winter months you’re either supplementing or you’re eating nutrient rich foods that do contain vitamin D, or you can actually use artificial light sources that generates UV light, including UVB to synthesize vitamin D.

And so Redlight therapy is one of the bioactive forms of light. It doesn’t have any properties to UV light. It doesn’t cause the synthesis of vitamin D and it doesn’t have the negative effects where it can burn the skin and cause problems.

And along with that, but it is bioactive. And so there are two key biochemical mechanisms that we focus on. So as the red light or the. The infrared light hits your skin, first of all, it causes an increase in mitochondrial energy production. There’s an enzyme in your skin color, Cytochrome C oxidase, and that receptor receives the signal. 

And when it does that, it receives a signal from red lights. It increases mitochondrial production of ATP. And obviously, ATP is the energy currency of the body. So the more energy your body has, the better it’s going to do all of its bodily functions. Yeah, and the second mechanism is that it acts as a mild stressor on the cell and very similar to exercise. 

When you stress the cells, mostly they grow back stronger and bigger and better kind of thing and able then to do their jobs better. So again, as part of that mechanism, it enhances cellular resilience and it also quells inflammation at the same time. 

So again, those two combinations of anti inflammation and Hansadutta Brazilian’s increased energy, you just means your body is able to do everything better and becomes more resilient to stresses in your life.

Darren: Yeah, I think I think that’s really interesting, I think particularly, as you know, the Western diet has evolved to the point where it is information based, if you like, from the way that the vegetable oil is. All that kind of stuff is put into our diet.

So I think reducing inflammation is really key. So for people, Let me just step back one step is you know, obviously you said when you started using red light therapy that you had more energy, Brian is whistling on the way to work. 

So what you know, what is it about? You explained about the red light, the spectrum. But is that the same the Redlight light that you get from your lamps? Is that the same as what you get from main sunlight or is it a different type of light?

James: Is this the same light? And obviously when the sun is rising, you’re going to see a little red light in the sky. And as the sun sets, you can see a lot of red lights as well. But the sun emits all types of light.

But obviously, along with the red light that it’s emitting and the infrared light, that’s the heat of the sun. You’re obviously getting a lot of UV light as well. And there’s some negative connotations as well. 

So what we’ve done with our products, we’ve actually narrowed in on just the beneficial wavelengths of light that stimulate these positive metabolic reactions in the body. But without doubt, you’re getting red light from the sun all day. But it is a very mild intensity. And so, again, to get enough red light to instill the biological responses that we’re looking for, we’ve managed to create devices with a higher intensity, meaning that you only need to use them for a few minutes to get this biological response and up regulate energy. 

And that’s a really good question. You mentioned about both, Brian, I was feeling better and a bit of a skip in our step. Energy levels were up. I think that’s also a to us to circadian rhythm. 

And by respecting your circadian rhythm, which is basically the light cycle, as the sun rises, your body should be waking up. You look at the sky, it starts going red as the sun rises and then it goes blue.

And that bright blue light in the morning and at lunchtime is a signal to your body that is daytime. And that means your body will automatically release the appropriate hormones that give you energy and sort of regulates your energy systems in the day.

And that means your cortisol level should be rising in the morning and peak around midday. As you see blue lights. And as the sun starts a set, your course should drop. And again, you should sign up for regulation of melatonin for the evening, which is your sleep hormone.

And so when you respect your light cycles and you’re getting by in the morning, you’re seeing blue light and daylight exposure. In the day, you’re getting less blue light at night, but seeing some red potentially in the evenings, you’re expecting your hormone panel and that just means you’re going to get better sleep.

Your body’s just going to be more aligned to the natural environment around it. And you’re just going to be in a better mood. Your body’s just going to be in sync with nature. I think that’s so important when we talk about energy and mental health and everything, you just need to respect that circadian rhythm to make sure you’re optimizing everything about your bodily functions.

Darren: Yeah, I think it’s so important, isn’t it?

And I was just thinking, as you was going through the explanation that, you know, the actual effect of of red light therapy is has it the actual you know, if you think about red light therapy sounds quite simple, but the dramatic impact that has on circadian rhythm, melatonin, energy mood is just it’s so profound.

I mean, and that’s what I like about this whole kind of biohacking, functional medicine, whatever you want to call it, is that it is really basic and simple, but can have such a profound effect.

And I think, you know, as you touched on there with the situation we’re in at the moment, with a pandemic and stress, people losing their jobs is so, so important that we pay attention to our energy levels. And a lot of the dads I work with, one of their biggest challenges is energy.

And just by using this therapy, if they can get their energy back, I’m sure many, many of them would actually give it a try, because unfortunately, I think society has accepted that, you know, it’s OK to have all of the shocking energy drinks.

And I’m not going to go off on a tangent to all my statements about these energy drinks other than to say that they should be licensed like cigarettes. But it is really so profound. So in terms of the products that you guys have and the process that you would follow. 

So some people listening to this might be thinking, well, I need to have a room. It’s got to be filled with red panels. I sit there for ages, but it’s not that difficult, is it, really?

James: Yeah, absolutely. You’re absolutely right. It’s very simple to use the panels and all is one panel or one light in the specific wavelengths that we offer and you need to have your skin exposed, basically, you need the light shining on your skin to instill the political response.

If you had one of our panels, which is just the full stop panel, which is about a one point two meters stack of lights, all you need to do is have skin exposed, stand within about 10 to 20 centimeters off the panel and spend 10 minutes or just breath work relaxing, having your coffee in front of the panel. 

And that is the optimal amount of time to get the biological response to up regulate all these amazing bodily functions that we’re talking about and improve your energy.

Darren: Yeah. And so when is the kind of most optimal time to use this morning, afternoon, evening, or does it depend on your circadian rhythm?

James: So you’re absolutely right. Circadian rhythm is important, but in my opinion, as long as you’re using therapy, you’re going to get massive benefits regardless at the time of day.

But if you want to be highly optimized and obviously respecting your skin rhythm, respecting the light cycles, that’s going to be the best time to use it, which would mean using it at sunrise when the sun is kind of rising, you might see some red lights.

And again, it does act as a strong circadian rhythm, biological marker. And scientific research shows that by using it in the morning, you can up regulate severe melatonin in the evening because it’s optimizing your hormone production and also your pineal gland.

So, again, you increase melatonin up to about 70 percent in the evening, meaning extra deep sleep, extra restorative benefits for your body. So for me and Brian, I know that we both enjoy using it in the morning.

We just increase our energy for the day. But again, a lot of people enjoy using it in the evening because, again, it might sound contradictory. It’s quite relaxing as well. And by seeing red light in the evening and shutting out the blue lights again, it’s a signal to your body that it’s time to write down a little bit.

And so a lot of people enjoy having that red ambient lighting in the evenings and that can really help you get more, relax and be ready for that bedtime sleep.

Darren: Yeah, yeah.

Brian: What James was saying there about the signals, we use this word signals a lot and a whole bunch of signals.

So if you if you get a fright, for example, and then your adrenaline, your cortisol spikes for those that couple of minutes, those that adrenaline, that cortisol goes into your blood and it goes through your muscles and through your organs, and it signals to them that there’s some kind of a danger. That’s why there’s adrenaline and cortisol.

And, you know, within the context of red lights, what James said is absolutely spot on. You know, you can switch a red light on any time of the day and get fantastic, energetic anti inflammatory benefits.

But like James and I, we’re quite hardcore when it comes to health optimization, you know, so we spoke about what we actually do. The average adult out there is going to go, Jesus Christ, there’s no way I can do all of this.

So, yeah, like I said, that sunrise session, that’s the signal, because when you’re when your eyes and your body perceives that red light and then you go outside in the morning light, that’s like one hundred percent confirmation.

OK, it’s daytime now. We had red lights and bright lights. It must be daytime. Therefore, I’m going to release all the daytime hormones and my body will be primed for action. And then on the other side, like it’s counterintuitive, if you can use red in the morning for energy, how can you use it at night for sleep?

But it’s the same signal. So that circadian rhythm is counting all day. As soon as that first ray of light goes into our eyes, our circadian rhythm starts to count. OK, then it’s expecting however long a day it’s expecting.

And then when you have the red lights in the evening and then afterwards, it’s important to block the blue light because you want your body to receive the signal from red into darkness, which means sleep. So in the evening you shouldn’t go from Red into Netflix or Red onto your cell phone and then staring at this artificial light because you’re just confusing it. So that’s just the way I want to mention that about the signals.

Darren: Yeah, I think I think it’s very important, though, as well, Brian, because and again, a lot of a lot of people don’t really understand this. We’re not necessarily too educated in that way.

But when you describe it, it makes complete logical sense. And, you know, I go outside purposely in the morning now to do some ground, then to do some breath work and to get my skin in the sunlight.

Obviously, it can be fatal now, but also because you have receptors in the body, don’t you? And I can’t remember what they’re called, but they are more receptive in the morning to getting this light in so that they know they get that signal. Like you say, it’s morning. It’s time to wake up.

It’s time to regulate all the hormones in the body because you’re now starting your day. And I think once you really understand, it’s like a said before, you know, all of this stuff sounds complicated, but when you dial it back, it’s actually not once you understand that and you can incorporate that into whatever morning routine you do, just naturally your overall health will start to improve, you know, I’m not not saying that everybody goes rushing out and buys know red light rising, although that’s fine if you want to, but there’s lots of having that understanding I think is really, really important.

And then coming to the evening, I know now where blue, like broken glasses say to my kids, my kids think it’s fantastic because it means that they can be on their screens, but they think they can be on it all night.

And I’m not guys and that’s not how it works. But, you know, is having that little bit of Hidesign people, you sleep high universo, but it is so key and it does have such a profound effect. So, yeah, I think that’s really important to understand that.

But as you were talking there, what kind of comes to mind when we look at it in the context of fitness and recovery? Obviously, James, you said, you know, you’ve been quite battered and bruised in rugby. What kind of benefits does or can red light therapy have to recovery, muscle recovery, you know, muscle soreness and all that kind of stuff?

James: Yeah, and that’s really one of the massive benefits of therapy, is the recovery regenerative properties of it. It’s not only to enhance performance, improve strength and actually increase Tonchi exhaustion, but it also reduces muscle soreness.

So post workout, you know, I really get delayed on muscle soreness now, the dreaded DOMS, because, again, my body is just primed to recover straight away from the session and it does the body does that by the up up regulation of energy, but also by improving oxygenation, cellular repair and improves blood circulation.

So therefore your muscles are getting a lot more oxygen and nutrient delivery and against clearing out all the scar tissue and debris that is formed through exercises, you’re damaging the tissues.

And again, so some of the results and the clinical trials are showing that you can improve muscle getting over 50 percent on a training program just by using aromatherapy as a differentiator.

So we’re not talking about marginal gains for athletes. We’re talking about something that really could be the difference between not just gold and silver, but a golden middle of the field kind of thing. So it’s truly amazing.

Darren: Yeah, that is amazing. That has shocked me. You know, I army fifty percent gain. That is huge. You know, people would, you know, especially professional athletes, what they would give to get that kind of gain is just incredible.

That is massive. And so, you know, there’s a lot of guys in my community who, when they get to a certain age, they maybe go out running and stuff like that. They do their Achilles or they pull muscles and things like that.

So, you know, in terms of gains or recovery, does that translate? So, you know, if you use red light therapy for recovery of muscle damage or something like that, can that get equally that amount of improvement, 50 percent improvement in recovery or does it don’t translate in that way?

James: Yeah, that’s right. It actually is very similar. It probably would translate differently, but the studies are showing that basically it does half recovery time. So a lot of the studies that we see around muscle damage.

So you’re certainly torn or strained a tendon. And again, they’re looking at controlled groups versus a group using Red Light therapy. And it pretty much does half the recovery time.

And only is the recovery time shorter, but there’s less scar tissue, the muscles more functioning, and therefore you’re less prone to injury in the future as well at the same location.

So, again, you’re not really back on the field quicker, but you’re also less prone to injury in the future. And so for the professional athletes and team sports, this really could be game changing because, again, the players are getting paid a lot of money to perform. 

And if they’re not on the field, then everyone’s losing out. The support is the team. We want to see the best athletes performing at their full potential. And so by using modalities like red therapy and also sauna therapy is very good as well for these sort of things. But again, you get the athletes recover quicker and back on the field in a better state.

Darren: Yeah, Absolutely. So in terms of the actual using the devices themselves, obviously you said that, you know, the full kind of is did you say one point two meters high, correct?

Yeah. So, you know, for people that don’t have much space or, you know, that kind of thing, is it kind of a modular system that you can use? Do you have to have the four one point two meters or how does it all kind of fit together?

James: So all the devices you can easily have on the back of a door or on a wall or you can literally just stand them on the floor against the wall or lean them on a chair, for example. So again, the devices are very slimline as well.

So they’re very easy to accommodate into a flat in London or anywhere near anywhere you want, really. We do offer modular designs as well as more design, that kind of a clinical setup or a professional team sport. But that enables you, again, just to connect, you know, half a dozen lights together, creating a two meter by two.

A wall of lights and so in a team environment, that’s pretty powerful and again, we’ve set up some clinical practitioners recently to have a basically like a sandwich effect of lights on a wall, two meters by two meters, and then a stand about a meter away again, two meters by two meters.

And athletes or people who are paying for their services can go in and use that recovery setup, which is super powerful.

Darren: Yeah, that sounds really interesting. And in terms of when people start to use it generally, what’s the period of time when they actually start to whistle on their way to work and have loads of energy?

James: I think Brian can attest to this as well, but within a few days, I think you’ll notice differences. We haven’t even mentioned the skin benefits and the collagen synthesis. 

So Red Light therapy about 10 years ago, the only place you would find it is a spa because again, there’s really strong evidence showing it helps anti aging properties and your skin helps fill up your skin, reduce fine lines and wrinkles. 

And so I think within a few days you’ll notice your skin’s just a little bit rosier, a bit better circulation, a bit plumper. And also then your energy levels pick up. You’re sleeping a bit better. But like everything, consistency is important. 

So, yes, within a few days you get these benefits. If you stop using the lights, you’re not going to see the benefits happening. And so I know Brian and myself, we probably use our lights every day. But again, we can recommend people to use it five to seven days a week. And again, that will guarantee that you are going to get the benefits then.

Darren: Yeah.

Brian: 100 percent. It’s like every one slightly different. And if, like myself and James, you know, we were kind of both a little bit ill when we started using red light therapy. 

So the people that I find have the most profound benefits are the people that are slightly ill, you know, so if you’re lucky, you know, if you’re an athlete, you’re going to get fantastic benefits, you know, because your body is going to be creating more energy.

You’re going to be recovering quicker. You’re going to be performing better. But it might not necessarily be tangible, because if you’re an athlete, you know, unless you’re timing yourself and you’re very strict on measuring your performance, you may not notice the benefits.

But what I found the most is because I get emails almost every day and it’s, you know, from the older generations, the ones that are hobbling around. The mitochondrial energy has significantly slowed down as they move into their middle age.

Those are the people that they email me and they go, oh, my God, you know, I had two sessions on my knees and now I could walk up and down stairs without pain, the first time in twenty five thirty years.

So it sucks to say it, but if you’re, if you’re a little bit sicker, you’re probably going to experience the benefits a lot sooner and a lot more profoundly, because once your body gets this external boost of energy then, then you feel better. Everything gets better.

Darren: Yeah. And I think it’s an important point James made also about collagen and protein, because that’s a very hot topic in the world of nutrition right now and collagen and having all that kind of stuff.

So, you know, our connective tissue between our joints and everything else like that, I think, you know, as you age, you know, as you just said, Brian, you know, everything starts to get a bit tighter, starts to get worn out.

And I think people would probably give a limb to be able to kind of have that feeling of when they wake up in the morning, not the stiffness or the kind of immobility and I think functional as we get older.

You know, functional mobility is so, so important and obviously sounds like that red light therapy can really help kind of maintain that as well.

Brian: One hundred percent.

Darren: So, guys, in terms of the benefit, the three top benefits you would say you can get from red light therapy, I mean, we’ve already discussed this. So many benefits, but what would you say would be the three top benefits?

James: So I think both by and I will have similar benefits, but it’s definitely worth hearing Brian’s on these as well. I think for me, I think I mentioned, you know, I suffered concussions and things.

And so the first thing I noticed was my mind was just working better. And, you know, the cognitive benefits are pretty profound. And for anyone who’s suffering with any sort of brain fog or even some anxiety, I think therapy can really help them to optimize the functioning of your brain and again, lift spirits, improve the performance of your brain. 

And so that’s definitely number one for me. The second one is like hitting the gym pretty hard and coming from a rugby background. Kind of I come from Wales as well. It’s kind of in my blood. And so I’m getting no doms at all was pretty profound.

Enable me it allows me to hit the gym pretty hard every day and not really worry about muscle soreness or injuries. And the third one guess is enhanced sleep. Sleep is the bedrock for health for me, I think everyone will agree with that, and again, I’ve never slept better, and you mentioned blue blockers earlier and rising and actually bringing that to a new range of blue blockers as well.

And.., we’ve really done the due diligence and the testing and the design of them. So hopefully we’re going to really hit the market pretty hard with them and be leading the front with some advanced strategies around sleep protocols. But for me, Red Light therapy, blue blockers, sleep is amazing.

Darren: Yeah.

James: I think it’s a slight delay on the line with Brian in Guatemala, but Brian, the question is, what are your top three benefits for therapy?

Brian: Oh, yeah. For me, one of the top benefits, like you were saying, James, is that energy production, you know, because we’re not we’re not going into red light therapy. I was quite frankly, I was very, very depressed.

And I just noticed instantly, almost instantly that my mood had elevated. And why that happens is because the red lights and the infrared light can penetrate your brain. It can penetrate deep into your body, and it brings those energetic benefits to your glands and to your brain, the parts of your body that are making the hormones.

And so that’s my theory and the science of why my mood got elevated pretty quickly after using red light therapy, because it balances the hormones. And then my second massive benefit that I received was because I was kind of coming out of a lot of aches and pains due to the vegetarian diet.

And I had a lot of joint issues like crazy joint pain. That’s something I noticed pretty quick as well, is that my joints weren’t painful anymore and I had a lot more mobility. Know I could reach overhead without pinching something or without having sore shoulders.

And I started getting into fitness and working out again because this joint pain was just decreasing and decreasing and decreasing to now touch wood. I have almost zero joint pain. And like you said earlier, Daryn, it’s if you’re suffering from joint pain and then you can get rid of it, it’s like a miracle. It’s like having your life back.

Darren: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is carry on. Yeah, I think I think he’s yeah. It’s fine. And again, you know, it comes back to when you when you talk about it, it all sounds quite simple.

But, you know, there’s so many people out there particularly that we have in our community that would really give anything to have that functional mobility. And we’re not even talking about smashing the gym out of things, but just the point where they don’t have the stiffness, they have the freedom to move as the human body was designed. 

And we are unfortunately, particularly in the Western world, you know, a nation of sitting at desks, which is terrible for our health. And we get hunched over in these positions. And so there’s so many people that I know that visit physiotherapists, chiropractors and all the rest of it just to kind of alleviate those kind of, you know, immobility that they’ve developed.

And so, you know, if you can have something as simple as a red light device that can do that for you, then yeah, it’s why not?

Brian: One hundred percent. And I’m just I just want to go get on number three there for you quickly, just because it was such a great benefit for me and some of your listeners might enjoy it as soon as I mentioned, as soon after I finished with the vegetarian diet and then started taking way more fat and protein into my body, I was able to work out again.

And then because I had been working, I’ve been using red light therapy at the same time. And I was specifically using red light therapy just before a workout. The muscle gains that I personally experienced was it was beyond my wildest dreams because I’d worked so hard in my late teens and twenties in the gym.

But then once and I was getting like to be on a sub mediocre results. But as soon as I started with the protein and the faster then the red light therapy, like the muscle gain that I’ve developed, the muscle development that I’ve experienced is far more than I deserve because I don’t work out that much. I’ve been quite interested to see.

Darren: Yeah, I think I think anyone would take the ability to kind of get more gains with less for all day long, to be honest. So, yeah, that’s fantastic. But before we wrap up, is there anything that I didn’t ask you that you feel that I should have asked you which would benefit the listeners?

James: I think from my perspective, you’ve covered pretty much all bases. Thanks.

Darren: And Brian, any final words?

Brian: You know, I think we kind of hit the nail on the head with the news with red light therapy, but I know like you always like to share and James and myself and red light rising, actually, you know, there’s a lot more to the puzzle than just Red Light therapy. 

You know, we obviously started as a Redlight therapy company. But then I started like saying to myself and saying to James, it was like, you know, this isn’t the only thing I’ll do. You know, this isn’t like it’s not the be all and end all.

It’s a very big, complicated puzzle that it takes a long time to turn over all the pieces and to start putting them in the right place, you know. So, you know, I’m sure you share some messages with your followers about where to start and whatever.

But something I would say as well as you know, is just kind of bear in mind that it’s a big puzzle.

And Red Light therapy is a very, very useful piece of the puzzle, so is blue blocking and limiting your artificial light and so is sleep and then so is diet and so many other things. So I think that’s important to bear in mind.

Darren: Yeah, absolutely. I think you’ve summed it up quite nicely, it is a puzzle and there is no just one piece that this miracle cure for everything is not one pill. You take anything that is having these, you know, this kind of whole big picture and these various different things, you fit into your daily life routine, whatever you want to term it that goes to build your overall health.

So, yeah, that’s been amazing. Guys, thank you very much for coming on the show. But before I let you go, how can people connect to Red Light Rising? You know, what kind of products have you got coming out? What are your social media profiles or that kind of good stuff?

James: Yeah, sure. So the best place to start is probably our Instagram channels, which are just at red light rising. And again, you can also find Brian on myself’s profile listed there as well.

If you want to see what we’re up to in our day to day lives and then on our website, which is www.redlightrising.co.uk, you’ll find our product range and we’ve also got a number of blogs.

They’re going a bit deeper into specific topics about the benefits and science of therapy as well. In terms of products, obviously we’ve got all our therapy devices. We’ve got ranges and sizes catering to all budgets and needs of recommendation that really is, though, go as big as you can afford, because, again, you know, we do have one target, kind of like acute, very targeted, focused treatment.

But again, why limit your benefits to one specific area when your whole body can benefit from this therapy? We also have blue looking coming out soon, as I mentioned. And we’ve also recently introduced real salts where the primary UK distributor for real salt, which is probably the highest mineral and nutrient content salt in the world at the moment, I think.

And it’s something that I am very passionate about is bringing products to the UK that we use ourselves and we believe in. And again, that’s why we did therapy. That’s what we’ve designed, what we believe to be the best looking glasses.

And that’s why we’re also now selling salt. It’s an interesting combination, but they’re all performance enhancing or recovery focused. And so the things that we use day to day lives.

Darren: Yeah, that’s very interesting. And that’s probably a whole other podcast about real salt, because I’m aware of that product. And the fact that you guys are bringing it into the UK is fantastic.

So, yeah, that’s definitely a whole other podcast. But I really appreciate you coming on today, Brian. I know you’re in the far flung place of Guatemala, so I appreciate you coming on today. For the listeners at home, please check out red light rising in all the links will be in the show notes.

And yeah, it’s a great product and they will be great to fit into your health protocol. So thanks very much for coming on the show today, guys. And I look forward to catching up with you again soon.

James: That’s great, thanks Darren. We appreciate you having us.

Brian: Thank you so much. Absolute pleasure.

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