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Guys, this is the number one podcast for men in their forties who want to improve their health through nutrition and fitness. This is episode one twenty eight, and on today’s episode, we are going to be discussing the importance of dental health. The mouth microbiome and how our mouths are the gateway to our gut health. Joining me is Dr. Simon Chard. Dr. Simon qualified with an honors from King’s College London Dental Institute in twenty fifteen. He was voted the best young dentist in London, and he co-founded Parla, an Eco-Friendly toothpaste solution Which is better for the environment and for our oral health. 

Hi, Simon, thanks very much for joining me on the podcast today. How are you? 

Hi, Darren thanks for having me. Yeah, very well. Thank you very well.

Good, good. Did you have a good Christmas and New Year and nice break? 

Yeah. Avoid, avoid COVID somehow. So yeah, no, it was a nice break. And yeah, looking forward to a big 2020 two ahead.

Yeah, absolutely. So for people that haven’t come across you before Simon and in your background in dentistry and parlor, can you give us a bit of insight as to how you’ve come to where you’re at today?

Yes. Sure. So I’m Simon Child, I’m a cosmetic dentist by trade originally. In later years now, I guess. Also a start up entrepreneur, I run a seven surgery dental practice just southwest of London in Staines, upon Thames with my wife Meghan, who is also a dentist. Right. I co-founded Parlor Toothpaste Tablets, which is a plastic free toothpaste brand back in 2020 with two other high profile UK dentists. And that went on to be on Dragons Den and is now stocked in Sainsbury’s and Boots. And I’m sure we’ll talk about that a bit more later on. And then I’m also the president elect of the British Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry, which is one of the biggest academy of dentists in the UK. Yes, that’s me. Really? Wow.

Yeah, you’ve got a lot going on there. So I guess the first question I’d like to ask you, Simon, really is that there’s a lot been spoken in the health space at the moment about our guts and our gut microbiome, right? But obviously, you know, our mouth also have a microbiome of which I don’t believe is spoken about nearly enough. And I don’t think people, maybe I’m wrong. Listening will actually know that the mouth has a microbiome, and actually, that means so we all are aware that we should brush our teeth twice a day and how important dental hygiene is to the underlying teeth itself. But obviously, you know, the teeth are quite well connected to other organs in the body, and it has its own kind of ecosystem going on in the mouth. So maybe you could kind of talk a little bit about the mouth microbiome and just how important it is.

Yeah, really, so I think the first thing to say is in our own heads, we make a delineation a separation between the mouth and the gut. But the reality of the situation is that our digestive system is one big long tube, right? And the mouth actually in some ways, and it may not sound very nice, but in some ways it makes up part of the gut and the microbiome, although varying in different elements of the digestive system. The mouth is a part of that. And so you’re absolutely right to focus in on this point. I think traditional traditional ways of looking at dental care have been killed. Everything, all bugs, all bugs are bad and certainly sort of the old fashioned mouthwash where it’s sort of caustic and alcohol. And that’s and that’s clean is not something that I prescribe to myself. And actually, the mouth is an incredibly absorbent part of the body. You absorb 50 times more through the lining of the mouth than through your skin. Right? And so the mouth flora, the mouth microbiome is something that we focus on a lot with Parler, with our ingredient debt. And it’s something that is becoming increasingly more important for dentists as well. Now it is even for us in the profession, it’s certainly not something that we’re trained on at an undergraduate level. We’re trained on it from a basic point of view, i.e. these bacteria cause dental decay. Right. So there’s bacteria such as strep Newtons, which are known to cause dental decay, and there’s a variety of other bacteria which are known to cause gum disease. And we target some of those with some of the medicinal techniques that we use. Yeah, but with regards to quote unquote good bacteria and specifically trying to protect and encourage them, that’s something that is as of yet not been well proven by the research that I’ve seen anyway. But it is something that I’m looking at very closely as we start to learn more about this. And it’s something that, as I say, we’re looking closely at with Paula as well.

Yeah, I think it’s a very interesting subject. And, you know, based on my very limited knowledge, what you said there about the mouth is part of the gut makes complete sense, right? Because it is the whole path around down to the gut. But why do you think that we’re talking about the microbiome in the mouth and all that kind of stuff? Now, what do you think has changed in, I guess in general, health and society to make us focus because it’s always been there, right? Why are we why are we looking at this now? Why is it important now?

Well, I think certainly there’s much more of a focus of everyone on health. I think that the the gut and also the gut brain axis, which is something that I’m very interested in, has come to the fore with just more and more research coming through. Yeah, the connection between what we eat, how we look after ourselves and how we feel is integral. And as I say, that starts from the mouth all the way down to the other end. And so that is, I think, as I say, certainly in this post-COVID era everyone and even ignoring COVID, my dietary point of view, everyone I think now more than ever is more conscious of of what they how they eat, how they source their food, how their food is manufactured. And all of these things play a really important part in everything from dental decay down to the health of our guts. Yeah. And certainly in my own life as an as a normal human outside of being a dentist, I’m incredibly conscious about how my food is, is manufactured and where it’s sourced from and how, what pesticides are used and all of these things. And I think we all should be looking at everything from a sustainability point of view all the way through to a health point of view and that that plays a part in your dental decay as well. Yeah. Yes. Sugar processed foods, all of those things are bad for you from the top down.

Yeah, absolutely. I think, yeah, there is. There is a focus definitely on health pre-COVID, but I still find that there needs to be a huge shift just in general in the way that we think about health and the fact that health is seen to be fixed rather than to be managed. I think that that’s something that in society in general needs to be shifted, but that obviously could take decades for that to happen. So coming back to to the dentistry side of things in in terms of, you know, what you’re seeing or what actually prompted you and your colleagues to go. To kind of start parlor, because obviously, you know, there’s a big move around sustainability about, you know, saving the planet and everything else, but from what you’ve done with Parler, it kind of goes one step further than that then. And it’s the ingredients in the toothpaste itself. So what was the kind of catalyst for you guys coming together to say, actually hold on a minute? You know, this is a little bit broken and we think we can fix it.

Yeah, absolutely. So there are a few things around 2017 2018 that drove me to to come together with my colleagues, Dr. Rona and Dr. Adarsh to create Parlor. One single line, I think, categorizes everything that came together and clarified my thoughts with regards to moving forward with the project, which was that every single tube of toothpaste that you’ve ever used still exists somewhere on the planet. And that’s the same for me because I was using old toothpaste before as well. And that’s the same for everyone else because every one of those tubes is not recyclable, single use plastic that lasts for five hundred years on the planet. We’ve only been using toothpaste in its current form for the last hundred years or so. Right? And so those tubes will will long outlast us on this Earth. And around that same time, I had my first child. I’d seen plastic ocean on Netflix. I’d be. I’ve always been a massive fan of Planet Earth and David Attenborough, and the impact of humans on the world was becoming more and more evident. And at the same time, I was living my again, my human, my normal human life in a sustainable way, trying to be conscious about my food, trying to be conscious about using reusable water bottles and not using plastic bags and anything of that sort. But at the same time as a dentist, I was doing what I had always done, which is recommending single use plastic to my patients, right? And even more than that, I was the brand ambassador for Oral-B.

I was on the TV advert for Oral-B on Channel four by my colleague. Dr. Rowena was on the air on all the marketing for sensor design and various other products. And so we said to ourselves, Look, what are we doing here? We’re actually living our lives one way. Then we’re recommending to our patients and to other dentists. They should be using this unsustainable item. And that’s our main job. So what can we do with our knowledge of dentistry and our ethical compass set in this specific way to try and change the future of toothpaste? Change the future of oral care to mean that you don’t have to make a decision between something that’s really effective at protecting your teeth, but also doesn’t harm the planet, animals or humans at the same time. So that was the main focus, and that led us down a big old rabbit rabbit warren rabbit hole, whatever you want to call it. And then that’s what led us to create policy. This is what it looks like for your listeners who are watching. It’s a glass jar with an aluminum lid, and then inside you have dehydrated toothpaste tablets, which you just pop in your mouth, wet your toothbrush and brush with as normal.

And that’s the format that we built out and and it’s been very, very popular with regards to what you said about ingredients. Again, the question mark for us there was what can we do with our knowledge as dentists to improve on what’s being produced already? Make sure that the ingredient deck is clean as natural as possible, but also really effective, not tested on animals. So all of our products are certified vegan. We’re also leaving Bonnie approved, and the ingredients themselves, as I say, are sourced from very high quality locations. They are sourced ethically with regards to the the the the chain of manufacture. And we’ve used, as I say, our specific knowledge to make important decisions. So, for example, sodium laurel sulfate sells is the most commonly used foaming agent in almost all toothpastes. We know as dentists that we will often get in five to 10 percent of patients, people coming in and say, I’ve got a sore mouth, what can I do about it? Is, Is there something wrong with me? And you change their toothpaste to an SLS free, one of which there are a couple out there already and it completely changes their lives and they can eat spicy food, and they’re not in pain all the time and they sort have a dry mouth.

And so that is the letter is a very harsh foamy, and it gives us that big foam that we all know and love, as we were talking about before the call. But at the same time, it’s actually stripping the lining of your mouth and it’s made of palm oil as well. So right, it’s leading to deforestation. So we worked very closely with our manufacturer to find a coconut based mild foaming agent and created that foam not as much foam as a regular paste, but created that foam enough to be effective but was kind to your mouth and kind of the environment at the same time. So it’s those sort of little modifications that as a layman, as a customer buying your toothpaste off the supermarket shelf, you wouldn’t be expected to think about in great detail. But for us, we want every single one of those ingredients that goes on there. I want to be able to stand behind it and say, that’s there for a reason. It’s ethical. I would give it to my family to give it to my friends, and I give it to my patients, and I know it’s going to protect their teeth and protect the planet at the same time. So yeah, that’s that’s been the focus. I’d say it’s been going from strength to strength over the last. Almost two years now.

Yeah, it’s fantastic. It’s very interesting as well, because I think in general with toothpaste, you know, we tend to not. Well, I didn’t anyway, until I come across, you guys think about the ingredients that are in it. You know, we just marketed to and we make an assumption that it’s good for us, right? And it’s not until you start kind of scraping away. Do you understand? Actually, it’s not that great. And I think the only real ingredients that kind of is made obvious on toothpaste is fluoride. And that’s something that I want to ask you about, because there is, you know, a lot of talk in the health optimization space at the moment about how bad fluoride is. Now I’m kind of I don’t really have an opinion because I don’t have enough knowledge on it, but I know that, you know, some dentists have said, take that out of your toothpaste and you will start to see some problems with your teeth. So, so it’d be good to really get your view on it. Simon, as to where you stand on that?

Yeah, absolutely, yeah. It is one of those key sort of touchpoint topics that the people are very interested in, and as I said before, I am, I would categorize myself as someone who is highly involved with the health optimization space as well as obviously the dental space as well. And I don’t know if you know, Angela Foster, she was my I’ve been working with her for the last six months. She was on my podcast and she’s been sort of coaching me and we’ve had many conversations about this. Fluoride at the correct dose is nontoxic and non harmful to the body right now. The best analogy I can give you for this is that if you eat one banana, it’s good for you. And if you eat 40 bananas, you’ll die from a potassium overload, right? And that’s the analogy I use of fluoride at the correct dosage. It’s the most effective tool we have to fight against dental decay. Mm hmm. Which is still the most prevalent disease in the world. And it’s the number one cause for children under 10 to go to hospital with dental decay, having teeth taken out under general anesthetic, and it is still an incredibly prevalent disease right now. If you’re meticulous with your oral hygiene, you’re meticulous with your diet, then it may not be as important for you. But what we know is that it’s very, very clear for dentists when someone makes a shift away from the fluoride based toothpaste to a fluoride free toothpaste because they start developing cavities where they didn’t produce cavities before.


The ingredient itself, as I say, is is is supported by the W.H.O., supported by an incredible amount of research. The specific benefit of having a tablet format is that we control the exact amount that you’re having, right? Which is great because as you may, I mean the classic aqua fresh out of like four four stripes of toothpaste on the brush. Nobody knows how much toothpaste to use. And that’s, as I say, down to that sort of classic 80s marketing. But with ours as dentists, we chosen the exact amount of all the ingredients to go in there because that’s the amount recommended by the evidence to be effective. And so you can go into this with confidence that you’re having just the right amount to protect against decay. You’re spitting out the toothpaste at the end anyway. Yes, some of it will be absorbed through the lining of the mouth, but at the dose we’re using, it’s non damaging and nontoxic to the body. So as I say, the strongest evidence I can give you anecdotally is that I give fluoride based toothpaste to my kids. And as a dentist and sort of speaking for dentists, I would say probably ninety nine point five percent of dentists would not recommend that you use a fluoride free toothpaste.

And that was really important to us coming into this, yeah, green space, which is really a green space anymore. It’s just the mass concept that we need to be more sustainable. But a lot of the products in the market already. Were they sort of throwing the baby out with the bath water taken out any ingredient that was used in old toothpaste and and gone very, very clean, which is great. I’d love to see clean ingredients, but at the same time, it needs to be effective and that’s the key thing with us. Our strapline is designed by dentists to be good for you and the planet. It’s really important to us that this is a professionally designed toothpaste and that with our original that gives you everything that you need. With our pilot pro. We’ve added in a load more extra ingredients, the best of the best that we could find with really great evidence around it to actually strengthen the teeth and write Removals Citizen and take it to that next level for people that really want to invest in their oral care. And we’ll continue to do that with our new products to bring out taking ingredients that we think are vital, putting them in at the correct dose and then giving you the outcome of of great oral health and hopefully great systemic health.

Yeah. And I think that’s, you know, that’s a really important point that we’ve just covered because there is a lot of people on, you know, social media and the internet is a good and a bad thing, right? Because you can you can latch onto something and you can go off down a path. And unless you check the source of where it’s coming from and the science behind it, you could actually be damaging your teeth if you follow, you know, some some of the advice that’s out there. So I think coming from you being, you know, a well-established dentist and having all of this knowledge is really key. And I think the other point to make is whatever kind of toxic substances to a point that you put in the body, the body has a detoxification process. And so as you said, they’re providing you have the right amount of fluoride in your toothpaste, which obviously you guys have made sure that’s the case, then it’s fine. You know, it’s designed there to. To keep your your teeth healthy, so the other thing that I want to kind of dig into a little bit to Simon is around, you know, I’ve recently become a lot more aware of just how connected our teeth are to the rest of the body in terms of organs and all that kind of stuff. And again, you know, I may be incorrect in what of what I’ve read and what I’ve seen, but there’s increasing kind of talk around about feelings around about Root Canal and all that kind of stuff that goes on in dentistry that potentially can be impacting other or creating or adding to other health issues in the body. So what’s your view on on this kind of thing where we’re talking about the types of materials that are used in fillings, root canal treatments and all that kind of stuff?

So I take I will answer your question there, but I would like to take it back one step, one step before the dentist intervention, actually back to the dental disease itself. And I completely agree with what you’re saying in that there is a very, very strong link between what’s going on in the mouth and what’s going on in the body. And this has been proven over many, many years in some fantastic research that if, for example, you have gum disease, then that increases your body’s inflammatory markers, you’ll see our proteins. And that can lead to a whole host of systemic diseases. So you have gum disease, it’s a chronic long term condition from not cleaning your teeth well enough, not flossing, not brushing well and not seeing the hygienist. It’s normally symptom free, so you won’t know about it if you’re not going to the dentist until your teeth start wobbling and falling out your mouth, which is obviously too late at that stage. And it’s especially bad if you’re a smoker and if you’re a diabetic. But interestingly, if you have bad gum disease, then it can also contribute to causing diabetes. Right? I use the term causing that with with delicacy because it’s a contributing factor. It probably wouldn’t cause it as a as a standalone, but it will certainly have a very, very strong interplay with that inflammatory disorder. Same goes for heart disease. Same goes for lung disease. All of these things have in gum disease actually makes those conditions worse and can lead to them being a problem.

Other interesting things is actually having gum disease can have an impact on on your ability to get an erection, but which is an interesting research that came out recently. So if you’re not flossing, then maybe you should start thinking about doing it. But I think that’s just a just to hit the microphone there, because it is it’s very, very clear. And some of the research that what’s going on in your mouth and the state of your oral health can have an impact on your body health and the mouth is a window to the rest of the body. That’s why seeing the dentist on a regular basis is important because actually having that regular checkup means that we can catch these things earlier, often when they’re completely symptom free and like mouth, like mouth cancer, where dentists were shut down for three months in 2020 during the pandemic. There was a 75 percent reduction in the amount of oral cancer referrals. And clearly there was no reduction in the amount of oral cancer prevalence in the population, unfortunately. And so that is just a very clear example of why it’s so important to see a dentist on a regular basis for that six monthly checkup. Now, with regard to your primary question around material selection, as with everything in life, materials improve, technology improves, and our understanding of the interplay between those materials and technologies with ourselves continues to improve.

Now, traditionally amalgam, the silver fillings have been used routinely across the world as a as a very long lasting and predictable filling material. It is appears to be at least starting to be phased out within the NHS, and the UK has recommended that it shouldn’t be used in kids and pregnant women anymore. And I personally don’t use it at all, and I choose instead to place white fillings either made of composite resin or of ceramic. I have a what’s called a cad cam sirup machine in my clinic, which is a a milling unit that mills you. You prepare the tooth, move the decay and shape it appropriately, and then you scan the patient onto a computer, the computer using eye designs, the restoration with you at the helm. And then that’s milled out of a solid block of porcelain or composite on the same day and then bonded onto the tooth to replace the missing tooth structure. And that’s how we do our crowns and our veneers and our bridges and and even some of our larger fillings in my clinic. Now all materials have their strengths and their weaknesses, and Malcolm last incredibly well. The reality of the situation, in my opinion, at least, is that amalgam once it’s been placed. Is not leeching a large amount of mercury, which is the concern with the material that it does contain mercury and that it’s a stable material.

I choose not to use it now for a variety of reasons. Number one esthetics. Number two, when it fails, it tends to be the the filling fails tends to be the fails around the amalgam because it’s so hard right leads to sort of quite a catastrophic failure. So using a bonded material like a composite, so if I’m going to nerdy here, nice fine ceramic or a composite material actually strengthens the tooth by bonding the two together. And finally, as I say, I think there is a move. Half the world, in my opinion, away from this material, and I don’t I don’t have any major benefits to use it, so I may as well not and you certainly, which is more esthetic, which in my opinion, actually helps to strengthen the truth. And so that’s my personal decision. Now, amalgam is still being used routinely across the country and across the world. It is predictable. In my opinion, it is safe. What I choose to have one of my own mouth now, I would probably choose to have a white feeling for the reasons that I’ve discussed already. But that’s my overview. Feeling on silver fillings now you mentioned Root Canal. I’m fully aware of the sort of root cause Netflix documentary that came out, which obviously had a big impact on this. I think the important thing to understand with Root Canal is, firstly, at that stage, the truth is already in a pretty bad way.

You’re really trying your best here to hang on to that to so that the patient doesn’t lose it. And in my opinion, having your natural tooth over a dental implant, which I also place for my patients when they when they can’t save the tooth or they’re missing the tooth already having a natural tooth is a better option. Yeah, in my mouth, I would definitely choose to have a root canal over having the tooth extracted and replaced for as long as possible. Now, the time where that can become an issue is where there’s a chronic underlying infection underneath the root canal. Mm hmm. And the body is constantly fighting against that infection. And again, it comes back to these inflammatory markers in the body whenever the body is is at a heightened state of inflammation, i.e. it’s fighting an infection that’s not a good state for your body to be in. You want it to be at a relative equilibrium of inflammatory status. And so having a long standing infection under a root canal is not a good idea. And but the actual root material itself, the gut, a perk that the rubber that we use to seal the root canal space after the root canal is completed is completely inert. It’s actually a natural material comes from trees and. There’s no issue with that whatsoever, as far as I’m concerned, as I say, it’s that key time frame and decision making process where you had an old root canal, sometimes on the.

You can see a little black circle on the tip of the roof, but it’s not causing any symptoms. Ok, how do we manage this situation? And on that one, the jury is still out because those types of radiographic presentations x ray presentations will often not cause the patient problems for a number of years. Yeah, but from a microbe and a microscopic point of view is the body therefore constantly fighting an inflammatory reaction against that or and that’s not that clear, to be honest with you. I always view it as a bit of a tipping balance sort of seesaw of the bacteria against your body. And what status is it in? Yeah, so-called biological dentist may would be more robust in saying no. That tooth needs to come out because your body is fighting an immune reaction against it. Yeah. Are the more traditional dentists would say it’s not causing you any bother? Let’s leave it as it is. I would view myself to be somewhere in between those, and I always look at things from a biological point of view, but at the same time, sort of trying to hang on to the natural to take as long as we can do is really important to me because dental implants have their own issues and they’re not a panacea and they don’t last forever. So the longer we can keep you with your natural tooth, the better, in my opinion.

Yeah, and that makes absolute complete sense. And I think, you know, like I said earlier around social media and obviously we’ve got Netflix documentaries on everything now. They are good and they raise awareness. I think, again, come in and speak to someone like you to get a, you know, a completely rounded view on what’s being raised is very important because, you know, there is no kind of one answer to everything, is it? There’s lots of different perspectives and the science needs to needs to back this up as well.

I think the other thing to say is that science very rarely gives a black and white answer to these things. I mean, everyone wants the problem with Netflix documentary I Love. I love a Netflix documentary. I watch Seaspiracy and I stopped eating as much fish, and I was more conscious of my fish sourcing. And and that’s got to be a good thing. Shocking documentary But all of these Netflix documentaries are designed with a polarized outcome. They’re designed to create an emotional reaction in you that says, Wow, what I’ve been doing forever is wrong. This is the right way. Just like game changes. Really great documentary. Yeah, around veganism and us all, eating more vegan lifestyle is definitely a good thing, in my opinion. But at the same time, I had a very clear message. Yeah, and certainly with science, it’s not as clear as root canals. Bad ceramic implants. Good? Yeah, or amalgam bad and composite filling material. Good, because guess what, in 10, 15 years time, maybe they’ll say white fillings are worse. We don’t know, and I think we’re also keen to, especially as millennials.

I think we’re also keen to throw out everything that’s old. Everything that’s old is wrong and add everything that’s new is good and better. And in some circumstances, that is true. Technology, thankfully, medical technology improves, and I’m sure we’ll all live for many, many more years as we move forward. But at the same time, like, don’t. Don’t go into it with the polar ice black and blue mindset. Go into it with a right, I’m going to I’m going to think about this and I’m going to make my own decision based on weighing up the evidence. Yeah, that’s that’s how I try and look at these things, and I’m a sucker for it. As I say, when I watch Seaspiracy, I was shocked and appalled at and I’ve certainly made life changes since then. But I’m also balancing it with the fact that there was a clear directive at heart. They’re a positive one, but still a message that they wanted to get across in the cleanest way possible. And sometimes Netflix isn’t the best place to get your information, just like Instagram.

No, exactly. But as you say, it does raise awareness. And you know, if nothing else, it makes you stop and think and perhaps make those changes. But as you quite rightly say, you know, science is evolving all of the time and there is never, ever any end. There’s just more information at a certain point in time for which you can base your your decisions on. And it’s never that’s it. It’s fixed forever, is it so? See, I think that’s a really important point to make. So, Simon, for people listening to this that, you know, they haven’t considered oral health as much as they should do before. You know, I see it a lot with guys that I work with. It’s only when particularly men, when you have a problem, do you then do something about it. But what would you say are some key fundamental things that we could do around oral health in between seeing the dentist and maybe things that we could look for that might indicate that there’s some underlying issues that are potentially arising.

Yeah, sure. So I mean, it’s the standard things with oral health are brushing twice a day with a decent toothbrush, ideally an electric one. But if you prefer manual, then a manual like our bamboo one is absolutely fine. Brushing twice a day, cleaning every surface of your mouth, every surface of your teeth. So ideally around five seconds. Every every surface, which accounts to about two minutes. Lots of people miss the inside section down by the tongue. The classic face miss just brushing alone is enough if you imagine teeth next to each other like this. This surface in between the teeth here, your brush is not going to get in there. So that means you’ve got that front and back. You’ve got about twenty five percent of the tooth that you’re not going to clean. And that’s the area where you’re most likely to develop dental decay and can also gum disease as well. So that’s where using some sort of proximal age becomes important. So either floss toothbrushes or into proximal brushes or something like a water pick becomes really important and you need to be doing that every single day. And if you do that, just those two things alone brush for two minutes twice a day, cleaning every surface of your tooth and floss, or use something in between your teeth once a day. It’s unlikely to dramatically reduce your risk of developing dental problems. The problem is, most people don’t know what they’re doing or they’re not conscious when they’re brushing their teeth.

And that’s another reason that people become so excited because actually, because you’ve got this shift of the way you’ve always done things, you become more aware of how you’re looking after your teeth and actually switches you back into a conscious mode of brushing, which is really important because most of us are on our phones on Instagram. Yeah, quick brush and then off to bed or after work if we need to be a bit more conscious about it. So brushing twice a day, cleaning in between the teeth and using a fluoride based toothpaste, or even better hydroxy appetite, hydroxy appetite based toothpaste and fluoride, which helps to remember and strengthen the teeth, is all you really. You don’t really need to use mouthwash. Okay, I’m going to major issue with people using mouthwash. Ideally, an alcohol free one, ideally at a time outside of when you’re brushing your teeth. Because what most people don’t realize is that fluoride is water soluble. So when you rinse after brushing your teeth, you actually washing away the fluoride where it could be sitting on the tooth and having another half hour’s worth of activity. So the recommendation is to spit, don’t rinse, which again is another weird thing to get used to. You get used to it very quickly. And then also, the mouthwash just use another time other than are just after you brush your teeth. So use it as a mouth freshener rather than a has another opportunity to get fluoride in the mouth, but not directly after brushing your teeth, which is when most people use it because you will wash away the fluoride and therefore it will be less effective.

I know all the adverts for mouthwash is sort of like the guy with a hose cleaning your teeth. That doesn’t really work. So mechanical manual cleaning is the most effective way to do these things, and that’s about it, really. Obviously, diet wise, just avoid sugar. Yeah, sugar is eaten by the bacteria. They turn it into acid, and that causes the holes in your teeth and avoid acid as well acid erosion, especially in men. Ok, for some reason, my own anecdotal feeling is it’s very, very severe. So if you’re drinking Diet Coke, yes, it’s got no sugar in it. But the pH of that Diet Coke is about two or three. So if you left your tooth in it for twenty four hours, it would be gone by the morning. Wow. Caustic and aggressive. Yeah, so be very, very cautious of the drinks that you’re drinking. Fruit juice, fizzy drinks, wine, cider, all of those very, very high in acid and will erode away your teeth. They’ll erode away the glue that’s used to hell in your fillings when you’re feeling sorry. And and yes, they should be avoided as well. So that’s another sort of separate thing from a diet point of view. But the primary is sugar, and that’s what will cause cavities. So just be careful with those sweet treats.

Yeah, super interesting, actually. I mean, the stuff that you said there is all really basic, isn’t it? But we love to overcomplicate it, and we love to search for things that are perhaps more complicated than they need to be for the for the purpose. And I think what you said there about becoming conscious and I think, you know, that’s a lot of things around health and around nutrition. We are kind of in a kind of robotic mode and based on what we’ve always known because life is so busy. But when you do stop and and really become conscious about that particular area, whether it’s dental, health or fitness or whatever, it’s amazing how just more a way that you become and particularly what you said there around brushing the backs of the teeth. You know, I don’t know how many people miss that, but every single time I go to the dentist, even though I. Do try and brush the back of my teeth. They always find black there, right? So, you know, it’s just kind of becoming that, that aware and like you said also. And we said before we started recording, you know, that change of toothpaste, I said to you, you know, it’s kind of different. It feels different. But it’s that I think based on our conversation today is actually a good thing because it makes you far more aware. And I would suggest it’s probably going to make you far more efficient with your brushing. So, yeah, it’s been fantastic talking to you today. So I really appreciate your your time to come on the podcast. So for people that want to connect with Parler, they want to try Parler. Where can they go, watch your socials and all that

Kind of good stuff. Yeah, sure. So if anyone has any questions on on dental related issues, feel free to DM on at Simon Child on Instagram. With regards to Parler, we are at Parler toothpaste tabs and Parler toothpaste outcome is the best place to get us. You can get us on subscription direct through your letterbox, or you can also now find us at Sainsbury’s across the country. Boots across the country, Amazon supermarket and a load of other small independents. And yeah, as I say. Please do get in touch. And for those of you that try out Parlor, let me know and we would love to have you on board our mission for a plastic free toothpaste world moving forward.

Fantastic. Well, thanks very much for coming on, and good luck with Paula, and I hope to speak to you again soon.

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