Episode Highlights

00:01:12 Jake’s background
00:02:40 Does anyone need to wear glasses for short sightedness?
00:04:38 Why should you strive to improve your health over 40?
00:08:43 A short scientific explanation of why you can’t see clearly
00:11:47 How can you start “weaning” off glasses?
00:14:23 Why is nobody talkling about reversing myopia?
00:16:02 How to prevent Presbyopia
00:17:18 A short scientific explanation on presbyopia
00:18:52 What other lifestyle factors can affect sight?
00:20:49 Three things to do when you first start noticing a deterioration in your eyesight
00:22:51 The key differences between an Optometrist and an Opthalmologist
00:26:25 Why are Optometrists not supportive of reducing our reliance on glasses?
00:27:27 Five key things to get started on improving your vision
00:30:20 Should we all wear  Blue light blocking glasses?
00:32:31 How to connect with the guest



Welcome to the Fitter Healthier Dad Podcast, where you can learn how to improve your diet, lose fat and get fitter in a sustainable and fun way without spending hours in the gym. Here is your host Darren Kirby.

Darren: Welcome back to the podcast, guys. This is the number one podcast for men in their forties who want to improve their health through nutrition and fitness. This is episode one twenty two, and on today’s episode, we’re going to be speaking about the eyesight and common condition known as myopia with Jake Steiner. Twenty years ago, Jake began a journey to reverse his myopia. It took a great deal of experimentation and trial and error to apply theoretical concepts found in clinical journals and peer review studies, and it has eventually managed to get his eyesight back to his natural 2020 eyesight.

Darren: Hey, Jake, thanks very much for joining me on the podcast today. How are you?

Jake : Good. Thanks for having me. Darren, I appreciate it.

Darren: Yeah, perfect. Thanks for taking the time out. So, Jake, for people that maybe haven’t come across you before or the topic of myopia, if you could. Yeah, give us some background on Jake, how you’ve got to where you’re at today. And yeah, it’d be great.

Jake : So myopia, short sightedness, nearsightedness when you need glasses for distance, vision is something that I struggled with since my teenage years. I’m not a doctor or optometrist. I just figured this out on my own. Going on 20 years ago and accidentally built a pretty large community online centered around this idea that we don’t need to be dependent on lenses to see well.

Darren: Yeah, awesome. Yeah, I think it’s funny because before we started recording, I was speaking about it from a personal standpoint and it’s almost nobody’s ever, well in my lifetime. At least I’ve never come across anybody who’s questioned the fact that your eyesight might be deteriorating and you can actually stop it and you can obviously reverse it and things like that. So I think it’s a very interesting topic because it’s almost like it’s socially accepted. Now when we get to a certain age, we either wear glasses or we can have laser treatment, which my father has actually just had done this week, which, yeah, I was not a massive fan of, to be honest. But so, yeah, can you kind of give us some insights, really, as to, you know, the details around shortsightedness, sight, and how we can kind of work on it ourselves?

Jake : Sure. And don’t get me into Lasik if you want to. If you want to hear things that your dad doesn’t want to hear about Lasik, I can tell you those too.

Darren: Yeah, by all means.

Jake : For one, I think it’s incredibly empowering and what you mentioned that people don’t talk about this. Don’t think about this. It’s true. And even when you do bring it up, a lot of people like, yeah, well, contacts, glasses, Lasik, all that stuff works fine, not realizing all the extenuating things that you’re affecting. Body’s a system, right? Like all these things are connected. And when your vision is not amazing, especially your audience, when we’re talking 40 plus you’re headed in the territory of where things will get worse, right? You’re going to have presbyopia like your near vision is going to start suffering. And then if you’re already wearing distance glasses, you’re going to start needing close and distance correction, and that really puts you in a shrinking box of vision. And then by the time you’re 50 60, you really are old, right? Because how you see the world affects everything from your posture to your social interactions, to how you perceive yourself, to sports performance and when you’re the dude who needs glasses for close and distance vision. Hmm. It is my opinion, right? But it ages you. It puts your brain in a place where you’re like, Well, I guess I’m old now, and none of those things are necessary. Yeah. One hundred percent unnecessary.

Darren: Yeah. And I think that’s a really important point to make. Again, it comes back to the way that we have evolved in society and the way that we perceive, guess how we move through life. I don’t want to say the word age. I want to say as we move through life, because as you said, right, it’s like you get to an age 40 is a magic number, right? Oh, so it’s downhill from now, right? Or it’s 60 or you’re retiring, so you’re going to deteriorate? Well, I really won’t and don’t accept that. And it does frustrate me and apologies for people listening on the podcast that don’t agree with it, but it’s absolutely true. And actually, we can get better as we get older. And so,

Jake : Yeah, yeah, sorry, go one hundred percent. One of my one of the guys I’ve met, so I kite surf. I think about three months out of the year I go to Vietnam and I kite surf. Oh, I used to when that was possible and I met a British guy, there  he was a 68. I think he was right, almost 70. And I mean, kite surfing for those who are not familiar is you’re standing on a board in the ocean and you’re at the same time managing a kite that is pulling you through the water. I mean, you need all kinds of strength and coordination for that. Yeah. Almost 70 years old, he started 10 years prior. He started that stuff at 60, and his statement was it wasn’t because he was so passionate about kite surfing, he says I don’t want to get old. I’m going to get old if I don’t keep this whole thing moving. And he did. And one of the things that are going to prevent you from doing that if you’re wearing if you need glasses to correct all your vision, you’re not going to mess with that because your brain’s going to tell you you can’t. Yeah. And this sounds to somehow, for some reason, today we’re I’m starting off on this completely different tangent than normally, but I think super important to realize that especially at this age range, like I’m in my mid-40s, you’re really you’re at a crossroads where either you’re actively taking a role to go in the direction of better or you’re slowly falling apart, right? Like you have to take. You’re not 20 anymore. You can’t just go out. It’ll be fine. And I think eyesight is a huge opportunity to prove to yourself that you can improve, you know, like psychologically, you’re like as you’re approaching 50, you’re going, Wow, I can see better. Like, I think it’s a big benefit.

Darren: Yeah. And I think though the biggest challenge with all of this and we’ll get deep into the eyesight in a minute, but I want to address this point, and that is. Because of the way that we developed and evolved. When you talk to people about myopia or any other kind of illness, I’m like anyone else. I use the term illness. I don’t know if This is the right phrase, but illness and you give them a solution which is alternative to what the general population uses. There’s a huge resistance to actually acknowledge and accept it. And you know, I’m not going to go off on the tangent with the virus, but we’ve seen this right in the virus side of things, right? When there’s an alternative, i.e., look after your health, and if you get the virus, you get the virus, you’ll be fine. But there’s a huge kind of the general population and again, apologize for the people listening if this offends you, but they don’t want to accept it. And they want to go down the route of society, says I should get glasses or society, says that my eyesight should deteriorate, so I’m just going to follow that right. What was your.

Jake : That’s fine, you know what I mean, like, I’m not trying to save people, right? All my stuff is free, by the way, like I’m a financial analyst. I my money comes from the stock market. I don’t care. Yeah, I want the people who are like me, right? Like I if somebody tells me that there’s a better solution, Hey, Jake, you should get blood tests every year. You might have vitamin deficiencies that affect your everything, right? Like the people who are looking for answers are the ones that I think this is meaningful to. There’s tons of people who, you know, I’m here on an island. I see people start drinking beer at noon. Yeah, I mean, you know, that’s their business and that’s how they decide to live their life. And that’s cool. I’m more about the find ability of answers like if you’re looking fine, if you’re not, I’m not going to force it on you.

Darren: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think that’s a good point. Okay, so so taking myopia specifically, then what would you say are the early signs that you have this condition? You know,

Jake : So super important. And I mentioned in the beginning, I’m not an optometrist. I’m not a doctor. I say it’s not an illness. It’s not a health condition, really. It’s a perfectly healthy eye . And I recommend this like for people who are whenever I run into some strange dude on the internet, on some podcast going this $100 billion a year business, which glasses are, is wrong. I always go to Scholar Dot Google dot com search engine just for clinical research. Right, right. Peer-reviewed clinical science doesn’t mean all that stuff is true and correct, but it’s a much more focused window on what’s this really about, right? Scholar.Google.com. Fantastic resource to at least make a distinction between Is there science supporting this or not? Hmm. You type in pseudo myopia, pseudo myopia. You get tens of thousands of results. And again, this is just peer-reviewed clinical science and references telling you what myopia actually is. And it’s not a genetic condition. And this is all optometry journals and ophthalmology journals that tell you the reason that you can’t see clearly at a distance where it started is there’s a short, short, short version of this- eyeball, fluid filled ball. There’s a lens in the front and the retina in the back.

Jake : The lens in the front is flexible, and it focuses light on the retina in the back kinda like a camera lens, right? And the thing that does the focusing is a circular muscle called the ciliary. It’s kind of cool if you’re a nerd like, yeah, the way that works is neat, and muscle tightens up to bulge the lens for close up vision. Right. And what happens is if you spend hours and hours and hours in front of a screen or book, for those of us that are in this age range, when your kid, you know, when you start studying a lot, that muscle is tight as long as you look at something up close. Also, the tighter eventually, that muscle spasms- pseudo myopia, also called NIR induced transient myopia, is a muscle spasm that focusing muscle that moves the lens is kind of stuck between close up and distance. So you see a little bit of blur. Your parents take you to the optometrist. The optometrist, who makes about 5000 percent profit markup on lenses, who’s trained to only sell your glasses goes, Yeah, your kid has a mysterious genetic condition, sells your glasses, and then now you spend a lifetime thinking that you’re somehow deficient.

Darren: Yeah, yeah, OK. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. So I guess. When we realize that, you know, if we are listening to this because we are searching for alternative solutions to the condition, so as a first stage, then rather than just doing the default that we’ve already kind of recognized and going to the optometrist and then maybe getting glasses, what have you seen or what have you done personally to start to? I say reverse the kind of the issue.

Jake : Hmm, that’s nice. You made it right to issue from. Um so. If you’re if you’re a parent with kids, the first step is iPads are not babysitters. The key thing is distance. If your kid is watching cartoons on an iPad, holding the iPad at 20 centimeters from the face, the muscles extremely tight, they’re going to end up squinting. You’re going to take them to the optometrist. They’re going to get glasses. Bad idea for most of us in this age range 40 plus we already either have it or we don’t. If you already have it, weaning off the glasses is the next way to deal with the existing myopia, which, by the way, I used to have -5 doctors or -4.75 Very thick glasses write that over it’s almost 20 years ago now that I started playing with that. I currently, I mean, we’re talking, I’m not wearing glasses. I have 20 20 eyesight. It’s a gradual weaning off right that every three to four months you take a quarter off the less. Eventually, you no longer need glasses. It’s really. And that’s another little biology story. If you’re curious about it, there is no, your eyes perfectly healthy. It’s simply has adjusted to one the strain levels of your close up and two that treatment of the lenses.

Darren: Right, OK. So effectively then what we’re saying is right. If we think about this in the context of working out muscles in a gym, right? If you are, like you said, have an iPad close to your face and the muscle behind the eye is working hard effectively. That’s what it’s doing, right? Like a muscle when you work out in a gym is going to get tight and flexible. So effectively, what we’re saying is generally over time, and I think this is where again, the society has challenges with we want results instantly aren’t willing or able to kind of take that time to actually kind of start to understand what that is and wean themselves off it. And therefore the muscle just gets tighter and tighter and tighter. So why is it other than the commercial element, Jake? Why is it that we? Because this is a common condition, right? Why is it that? You know, nobody is really talking about this. I mean, because I came across you and this was the first time I’d actually heard of someone actually reversing it, right? And why is no one I know? Like I said, the commercial element is there, but why is no one talking about this as an opportunity that you can use to improve your eyesight?

Jake : I think people do so, and I wondered the same thing because I am not the guy. It’s it’s still weird to me because I’m kind of mainstream. I’m not into that much off of the on the fringes of stuff like that. I’m the dude talking about. This is strange in my own mind, and what I’m talking about is not new because when we talked about Google Scholar clinical science going back 50 years has figured this out. This is peer reviewed ophthalmology journals that 50 years ago were already like, Hey, you know, close up tightens that lens. It doesn’t relax fully, it’s pseudo myopia. It’s not well marketed because nobody here like it’s 7:00 p.m. here, right? Like I hopped on a on a chat with you. There’s nobody who’s doing this because there’s no, I think I’m guessing. Yeah, there’s no real financial incentive, right? Nobody makes money off of wean yourself off the things, the stuff I’m telling you and my website is free. And the short, short version really is you need slightly weaker glasses, OK? Over an extended period of time. There’s no money in this. Yeah, right? Like, who’s going to do it and for what reason?

Darren: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I agree. And I think that’s a lot of conditions relating to health. I think currently. So okay, so in terms of like them weaning yourself off, you discover that your eyesight is becoming poor. You’ve taken the decision that you are going to try and improve it yourself. So you mentioned there that you had really thick glasses initially and you’ve gradually worked your way back. I don’t know. Do you wear glasses at all now or is it completely?

Jake : No, I don’t need glasses for anything. Okay. Also, not for close up. It’s this is a great practice in teaching yourself to prevent presbyopia where you can’t read books and near stuff anymore, which will. So the other thing that happens is that lens, that flexible lens hardens with age, right? With the process of life, it doesn’t become at some point it’s not as flexible as it was when we were 20. Yeah, but you don’t really need reading glasses if you get them. It’s generally because the optometrist recommends them. They notice that in poor lighting, small text you can’t see as clearly. It’s not an alarming situation, but as soon as you start wearing those reading glasses, that muscle no longer has to work right. The Lens does the work instead of the muscle. Now that that lens is not being worked out anymore, the lens that has a tendency to harden now will really do that. And now you become dependent on reading glasses, right? So even though in myopia is not about presbyopia, it’s not about this aid. I know you don’t like the word. I don’t have the correct terminology. Yeah, as we continue through life, this thing that we can’t read that well, up close, you can largely mitigate lens dependance, but you need to learn a bit about the biology, right? Like when I started, I didn’t know what I was doing.

Jake : It is a guess, and a super short version is the eyes is a  ball like it’s a fluid field ball. It’s never perfect. It adjusts in length continuously throughout your life. And it does that in part with a mechanism that checks if the light focuses on the retina correctly. Yeah, if you start wearing glasses, it creates a signal in the eye that tells the retina, Hey, we’re too close. So the eyeball elongates. And my theory, unlike what we talked about so far, this is my theory on this is when you wear slightly weaker glasses, the eyeball gets the opposite signal and it shortens. So the shortening eyeball means less. Myopia means better eyesight, right? And by now, tens of thousands of people have done this. And I’m not exaggerating. I mean, we have a big forum. We’ve got a Facebook group with 20 some odd thousand members, right? Lots and lots of people have done this, and it seems the mechanism is just a healthy eyeball that adjusts to the stimulus that you give it.

Darren: Yeah, that might. That makes sense. So when we’re talking about health, I mean, a lot of the stuff that I look into now is various different elements of the body and understanding how they operate and the most optimal, I guess, environment in which to to give them i.e., you know, your nutritional side of things, your kind of general daily activity in life. With regards to this, what we’re talking about myopia, what have you seen or what have you done with relating to, I guess, nutrition and stuff like that as it relates to the eye.

Jake : So I know very little about very few things and I’m not a nutritionist and. There are things that are related, absolutely, it’s a system, right, like the whole body functions together. There’s there’s big nerds in our forum that have done the blood glucose meters that you can implant in yourself. Yeah, yeah, I haven’t done that. But what they found is that insulin spikes correlate with poor eyesight. So while you’re having an insulin spike, you can see less well than you would otherwise. Right? Plenty of discussion there about people that are doing all kinds of stuff, from carnivore diets to some people who are into the vegan thing exploring the connection between eyesight, which is super easy to do because your eyesight varies all the time throughout the day. Lighting effects, it hugely. Food affects it to some degree sleep stress and you can measure it right like you can literally go. I can see 50 centimeters right now. If the lighting sucks, I can see 40, so you can just kind of keep a log of how your eyesight varies relative to your lifestyle choices and slowly tweak things. And it’s a great feedback mechanism because it also your eyes will tell you how you’re doing overall.

Darren: Yeah, yeah, it is. And I think there’s there’s a lot of science that supports, you know, type two diabetes and your eyesight, right? So yeah, I mean, that’s kind of quite standard. But so in terms of, you know, I guess, preventative measures or kind of like, I don’t have any kind of eyesight issues, I’m over 40. But if I was to start to think that and obviously we don’t obviously have to kind of do it over a period of time to actually think whether you are having eyesight problems. What would you say would be a first thought apart from kind of obviously stepping away from screen, spending less time on screens? You know, would it be going out in sunlight? What’s the kind of?

Jake : So two things or three things. One, I recommend annual ophthalmologist visits for eye checkups. I’m not saying that this is a substitute for all things eyesight. Yeah, health. I’m a fan. I go to the ophthalmologist. I get checkups. Big fan. Right, right. When it comes to myopia, if you if you’re in your forties and you’re suddenly feeling that your distance vision is not that great. Most likely, it’s you’re spending more time in front of screens than you have, right, especially now with our current interesting situations going on. Yeah, definite correlation between how much time you sit in front of a screen and then watch Netflix on your iPad and then play on your phone distance vision relaxes that muscle. So if you’re suddenly not seeing clearly at a distance and there’s an increase in close up use, that muscle just got stuck right. Print an eye chart or buy an eye chart. Hang it up on the wall somewhere. See which line you can read when you’re having a good day and then just keep comparing, right? Like you spent eight hours in front of a screen. Look at that eye chart and you’ll notice that you can see less well. You step away from the screen and figure out how long you need to take a break before the eye chart looks clear again. Super simple, like eyesight is a real easy feedback mechanism, and the second part is when somebody tells you you should buy reading glasses, ideally don’t. Right like don’t start depending on those.

Darren: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. And then for people that are listening to this, that that have the issues with the long vision and short sight, and they’re actually wearing glasses at the moment. When you go to see your optometrist, what would you say are the best kind of questions to ask? Because I feel that we probably just trust in the optometrist to just, you know, you go the visit, they test your eyes and you just accept right what they’ve told you, rather than kind of asking questions to find out exactly what the issue is.

Jake : I. Ok, so this is a little bit divisive and just my opinion. Right, the truth. I don’t go to an optometrist. Ok, I will go to an ophthalmologist medical doctor, right? Like they both refer to themselves as doctor. But optometrists are doctors, largely how dentists or doctors? Right, right. If I want a full health checkup, I go to an ophthalmologist significantly more training and schooling, better equipped to figure out health related issues. I never go to a shop where that’s in a mall. First of all, like, if the thing isn’t a mall, I’m not going to get a check up there. If if the first sign is, I walk in there and there’s a bunch of frames for sale and two for one deals and stuff, that’s not, in my opinion, again, not to offend anybody in my eyes, it’s not a doctor. That’s a guy who’s businesses to sell me frames and lenses. I avoid that because they will tell me that I need glasses. There’s a great article in the L.A. Times that I refer to frequently. If you just Google, L.A. Times and LensCrafters. Right? Huge scandal and LensCrafters a big, big chain in the U.S. Some of the executives there or ex executives explained how that business works, and it’s it’s rough. So the short version is they will sell you something, right? I go to an ophthalmologist. I find out if, are my eyes healthy. And then when it comes to distance and Close-Up Vision, I figure that stuff out by myself. Right? Like, I feel that their answer is you’re helpless. It’s genetic. It’s too bad. If you can’t see you need lenses. What you need is distance vision, right? You need a little bit of challenge. You need a little bit less screen time and you need focused distance vision like if you have a hobby that requires distance vision if you’re outside a lot. If you’re spending, if you have something meaningful to do that requires your distance vision, your vision will be pretty good and stable for most people.

Darren: Yeah, yeah, OK. I mean, that’s super interesting what you spoke about there, about the optimal

Jake : Ophthalmologist, ophthalmologist. And optometrist’s Get mad at me and there’s great optometrist, so I’m painting with a broad brush here. It’s just there’s going to be bias, right? Like, if somebody’s focus is selling your glasses, they’re going to be inclined. Absolutely, right.

Darren: Yeah. I mean, they’re in business. They’re not that they have to make money, right? That’s part of their chosen profession, and that’s what they need to do. But an ophthalmologist, presumably is somebody who will be situated in a hospital or something like that where it’s not really about the commercial side of things. It’s more to do with, you know, the actual general eye health. But what’s the major difference between these two kind of professions?

Jake : Schooling. Opthamologist has a bunch of years more schooling, and there are medical doctors like depending on the country, depending on various details. Usually OD Optometry Doctor is what I said more like a dentist is a doctor, right? Like pretty specialized, pretty. The scope is much narrower than a guy that an ophthalmologist. You generally also get a lot more testing equipment that can check a lot more stuff. Not always. Again, broad brush. Yeah, but if I want the most insightful check up on my eye health, the ophthalmologist is going to have more training for that.

Darren: Yeah. And in general than what we’ve been talking about today in terms of improving our general overall eyesight, I’m assuming that these guys are very supportive of doing what we’re doing in terms of trying to reduce that reliance on glasses.

Jake : Yeah. Exactly the opposite of that, really. It’s a hundred billion dollar a year business. Right? Billion dollars lenses cost two to five dollars to the optometrist wholesale. And I mean, the audience can figure out what they paid for the last glasses if it’s in a retail store. Five thousand percent is an average markup, right? That is the business they do. Not those people do not like me at all. Right, right. There’s been before we got as big as we did, I got threats. I got there’s all kinds of unpleasantness that happened. Mm hmm. Trying to skirt the conversation because I’m not saying I’m right. Like, this is some far fetched fringe DIY. You’re just having your own experience. But I’m always saying, let’s talk about the science, right? We know it’s not genetic. We know it’s caused by the focusing muscle, says the science. And the dialog already stops there. You go to an optometrist and you ask them what causes myopia? And you find one that says muscle spasms. Not going to happen, you know?

Darren: Yeah. Yeah, interesting, interesting. Okay. So what would you say then? You know, for people listening to this, maybe they like I said before, you know, maybe their eyesight, they feel their eyesight is starting to deteriorate or they’re already wearing glasses. You know, what would you say are five things that they could do today to start to kind of implement and try and tackle this?

Jake : The first thing is measuring your eyesight is super interesting. So short, short version. The doctors like you get the so-called prescription, which, by the way, clear curve pieces of plastic used to not be prescriptions. Millions of dollars are spent in lobbying to make these things prescriptions for the profit margin. Yeah. Example, like it’s really easy to figure out diopters at home if you need one hundred divided by centimeter distance equals diopter. So you take a book and you hold it close to your face and then you slowly move it further away until you see the tiniest bit of blur. Just like anything changes in how the letters look. Measure the distance from your eye to the book 50 centimeters, for example. One hundred divided by 50 is two, so you would need to 2 diapoter glasses. Mm hmm. Right. When you said five things, the first thing is measuring because it puts you in a place where you’re having an experiment. So it’s 50 centimeters. Try the same thing in a naturally lit environment. Now try the same thing when you’re fasting and try the same thing when you had a good night’s sleep. Keep a little log and you see those numbers go up and down and up and down. The first thing to do is that because those numbers are going up and down gives you a reference because, for example, if most of the time you can see 60 centimeters, you realize you could see fine with slightly weaker glasses.

Jake : Right? So educating yourself and understanding your own eyesight is definitely the first step. The second step? Print an eye chart. What I said before have it hanging up. Compare how you can see on it again, actionable. This isn’t/ wasn’t good for my eyes. The third thing is, ideally, you don’t want to wear Distance glasses for your screen use. Yeah. Like, they’re not made for close up use. They’re made for you to see clearly a distance. creates a lot of eyestrain using distance glasses during your screenings adds a ton of eye strain, right? Either don’t wear them if you don’t need them or if you do need them because they’re pretty strong. Weaker glasses for Close-Up. Extremely helpful. Yeah. And then breaks, right? Like checking your screen addiction going. Which hobbies have I not? Have I ignored for a while that I might want to get back into that, that encourage that whole? Let’s get away from screens. A little bit is a nice starter, kind of. It’s like me trying to explain how the gym will make you stronger in five steps, right? Like, it’s a real compressed sort of starting point.

Darren: Yeah, yeah. And they’re interesting and very basic steps, right, that we can take to kind of improve things. But one question I do want to ask you, though, Jake, is there’s obviously a big trend at the moment around blue light blocking inverted commars glasses. What’s your opinion? What’s your view on these? How much of an impact would this have on our sight?

Jake : Coke Zero. Yeah, you like it. You like Coke Zero? But it has no sugar, right? It’s fine. This is the so blue light has all kinds of impact on all kinds of things. I’m not disputing that at all, for sure. Valid. They’re selling you glasses with this blue light filter in it, number one. The problem is not the blue light. The problem is how many hours you spend scrolling on screens. How many hours you’re  neglecting your hobbies and your children and your life. That’s the problem. The blue light blocking glasses are an excuse. Exactly like Coke Zero is an excuse to keep drinking coke, right? What you need is getting away from the entire screen. You need to not be drinking coke at all. The blue light filter does nothing more for you than taking sugar out of coke, right? It’s if you have a healthy amount of balance with screen use and not screen use. You don’t need blue light blocking glasses. Number one, number two that the blue light filter they put on there is 50 cents at most. So big sales pitch. I mean, if those things cost you more than than $10, the rest is profit.

Darren: Wow. Ok. Yeah, that’s super interesting. Again, it comes back to basics, comes back to fundamentals like you say, right? You just go back to basics. Stay off of your screens. Yeah, you’re effective. I like that analogy. You’re effectively drinking Coke Zero, right? So you can stay on your screens longer. So I think that’s  perfect. Jake, it’s been very, very interesting talking to you today about the topic, but where where can people go and find you look up online? And you’ve got a great YouTube channel or good things like that?

Jake : Terrifying YouTube channel. So website is endmyopia.org, not dot com, because we are not fancy enough for that. It’s a little bit of a rabbit hole because no one I’m not financially motivated. So generally speaking, everything you need is free. Two, I’m not trying to be famous. This is a dude side project that’s been going on for 20 years. So when you first arrive there and you find weird references to my imaginary beard and being the last living, I grew lots of inside jokes. Yeah. And again, you’re going to spend a little bit of time. We have a huge community. Like I said, the Facebook group is 20 some odd thousand members. We have a big forum and we’ve got my terrifying YouTube channel. We’ve got a nice like, seven day sorted guide. When you ask, what are the five steps like spending a week, immersing yourself is super helpful and then just community engagement to get yourself realizing that this is not that farfetched and maybe worth trying.

Darren: Yeah, that’s awesome. Well, thanks very much for coming onto the podcast today, Jake. I really appreciate it and look forward to catching up with you again soon.

Jake : Thanks, Dan.. Thanks for having me.

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